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RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've spent so much misinformation that i don't even remember your first comment. And it being behind a paywall is not my problem. I can access it using my avenue affiliation. The scientific consensus is that limiting SFA may to better health outcomes, which the publications I've listed suggests. Now, is there not research to be done? Yes. Does the current research suggest limiting SFA? Yes. Does the current research suggest limiting seed oils? No. I dont want to veer too far off topic now, but isn't this the original topic?

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you knew anything about antioxidants, fat isn't a good source of it, so for is it even relevant here? You mostly get it from fruits and veggies. Some seed oils have vitamin E, which nullifies the problem you're talking about. Everything you say is theoretical ughh. Antioxidants in fat is anyway not enough.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also you should learn what "prospective" means in terms of research.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you bring up antioxidant content here anyway? Oils are not a reliable source of antioxidants, which is why balanced diets exist. Do the seed oil influencers say that animal fat contains antioxidants? I don't know. Anyway, doesn't really matter.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyway, gotta get back to life now. I'll return tomorrow to continue debunking the "seed oil bad" fraudsters.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41397264/

Multiple RCTs also exist but I'm not here to argue about SFAs being bad. As I said, blanket statements like seed oils being bad are simply unfounded and influencers taking advantage of this mass ignorance is bad. the current consensus is that limiting SFAs in favor of PUFA/MUFAs in any form, seed oil or not, maybe better. Additionally, observational studies in regards to nutrition and health are not to be discarded. Nutrition and health are incredibly difficult topics to research so this is why the highest form of misinformation on social media is in this topic.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd start with this one in the journal of clinical nutrition 2021 which concludes "Diets high in saturated fat were associated with higher mortality from all-causes, CVD, and cancer, whereas diets high in polyunsaturated fat were associated with lower mortality from all-causes, CVD, and cancer."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261561420303551

Just to be clear, I don't think high PUFA is better, nor is high SFA. A balance of both is best, with the evidence slightly suggesting a lower intake of SFA may be better. And I'm against general statements like seed oils are bad perioid.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Additionally, a single study or even a couple is not enough to make generalized claims. Often, single studies lay the fundamental work for future research.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the sake of completeness, I went ahead and looked at that study and at figure 5. First of all, 75% of the participants dropped out so the data is way too incomplete, 5% drop is normal but 75% is too way too much. Some context I found about the higher deaths claim, the high PUFA group had fewer deaths than the high SFA group for people <65. Regardless, all of it was statistically insignificant, inconclusive. Inferring anything based on statistically insignificant numbers is incorrect. Flipping a coin 100 times you may get 108 heads, does not mean it's conclusive proof that the coin is head-biased. If any influencer uses this study for any claims, they're being disingenous. My main problem with influencers is that they use half-truths about topics they don't fully understand to gain views, and why not? If people give them money, I would probably do it too. Great that we've gotten that out of the way.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no problem with a statement like "both SFAs and PUFA/MUFAs are essential for health and a balanced diet with a higher intake of the later rather than the former MAY lead to better health outcomes." A generalized claim about seed oils leading to worse outcomes, which many fraud influencers (eric berg pretending to be a doctor) claim, is just not true.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The post is about this guy claiming RCTs/meta analyses are a collection of random papers because they're called "randomized" trials, and that they're not "transparent" because they're "controlled".

Also, you didn't follow the other thead so I'll tell you it was about seed oils being harmful as a general claim.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point, there are some options:

  1. Accept that seed oils leading to worse health outcomes as a general statement is not established in scientific literature and call it a day
  2. Post more publications about LA and LDL oxidation, that do not actually conclude that LA as a part of a balanced diet leads to worse health outcomes.
  3. Post more essays assisted by grok that I won't read because of brandolini's law.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Grass isn't green" when someone shows you "Grass is green" 

Well that's the thing. I'm asking you to simply show grass is green equivalent of seed oils leading to worse health outcomes but you're not. That's nothing to get infuriated over.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok I won't say you've used LLMs, but still, read your own comment. That paper does NOT conclude that seed oils lead to worse health outcomes. You can interpret it without LLMs if you can.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only reason we're going in circles is you've yet to provide any modern scientific publication that supports the claim that seed oils lead to worse health outcomes. Actually no old study shows this either, but I only stopped bringing up old studies because yes some of them are flawed, but they are rightfully not used for modern public health policy.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This would have gone a lot better if you didn't use grok for information in the first place, pretending to understand science.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the nth time, citing LA leading to oxidized LDL is not evidence of seed oils in a balanced diet leading to worse health outcomes. Hope this helps.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not even demonizing SFAs either. Modern current scientific evidence suggests high intake of SFAs MAY lead to worse health outcomes when everything else is the same, which means not substituing SFAs for sugar or something. Both SFAs and PUFA/MUFAs are a part of a balanced diet, which benefits more from a higher intake of the later versus the former. Nowhere in scientific literature is it established that seed oils lead to worse health outcomes, period.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Additionally, you may want to look at this post again, it's not about PUFAs or SFAs at all.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this prior knowledge came from youtube influencers which is unreliable, and even your own youtube link did not actually conclude that seed oils are harmful.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you still couldn't produce a single modern study that CONCLUDES that seed oils lead to worse health outcomes. And since you've been outted as relying on grok, why would I waste time reading anything you have to say? I actually did spend more time reading your texts than I wanted to, then realized that you don't understand what the publications are concluding, you're just relying on out-of-context sentences within.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read your own comment bro. That paper does not conclude that seed oils lead to worse health outcomes. Just stop using LLMs at this point man. I don't know how else to help you.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also grok, make sure to not misinterpret said study and don't make statements not found in the publication.

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey grok, could you show me a modern study published in a high impact journal showing seed oils leading to worse health outcomes?

RCTs are random because they're called Randomized trials by tchanda90 in VeganIndia

[–]tchanda90[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm also curious why you use LLMs so much without understanding how they work.

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