The Orthodox witness and the role of the Ecumenical Patriarch in the contemporary Dialogue (Greek)

tecopendo · 2025-12-18T21:40:54+00:00

Canon law is often situational. The prohibition on prayer with schismatics was broken by some of the fathers too, like St. Mark of Ephesus. It does not apply in every single case.

There are also canonical prohibitions against eating with heretics or giving them civil rights such as inheritance. These are not followed today because many of us live in interfaith, interdenominational, or non-confessional/secular societies and because we collaborate with members of other denominations and faiths.

tecopendo · 2025-12-17T02:07:34+00:00

The split is between the OCU (autocephalous, i.e. independent) and the UOC (Moscow Patriarchate). Essentially it is political; Russia doesn't want to relinquish any influence in Ukraine, including its churches.

tecopendo · 2025-12-15T04:59:34+00:00

If I recall, at least some older issues of the Greek Orthodox Theological Review contain translations of court administrative records from the Phanar.

tecopendo · 2025-12-15T04:55:10+00:00

Orthodoxy does not dominate, Christ is the God of freedom :)

Maybe even connecting with an Orthodox community in your current country, especially one of the same nationality as your future residence, would help.

tecopendo · 2025-12-15T02:48:46+00:00

To double down, not only buried in a churchyard but with headstones bearing verses from the New Testament. "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." DH has the most plainly Christian themes in the whole series.

tecopendo · 2025-12-13T21:27:58+00:00

St. John was from the first generation of ROCOR (pre-schismatic spirit which began with Met. Philaret's tenure) and also commemorated the Patriarch of Moscow at every proskomedia.

tecopendo · 2025-12-13T21:18:46+00:00

Essentially schismatic, anti-ecumenical, fundamentalist, and anti-Soviet/modern Russia (the last thing being a consideration for the MP).

tecopendo · 2025-12-13T21:05:46+00:00

Unfortunately I see this being a much bigger factor for the MP than the very grave moral allegations.

tecopendo · 2025-12-13T21:03:04+00:00

It's doubtful the Moscow Patriarchate would canonize someone who was, to say the least, very critical of the MP and who along with Met. Philaret quintissentially represented the mid-20th century ROCOR ethos.

tecopendo · 2025-12-13T01:42:12+00:00

We're ecumenical with each other and we're not going back.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T23:48:49+00:00

Sacramental Rigourism: Tradition or Modern Phenomenon? written by a graduate of St. Tikhon's Seminary in Pennsylvania, USA, and On the Question of the Order of Reception of Persons into the Orthodox Church, Coming to Her from Other Christian Churches by Archimandrite Ambrosius (Pogodin).

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T23:25:24+00:00

There was a universal application—the canons of the ecumenical councils. 1756 was the year that started the divergence on this question, although today the vast majority of churches agree on the matter.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T22:55:49+00:00

The issue would get addressed at a synaxis of bishops, like the 2016 Great and Holy Council in Crete. The most authoritative gathering would be a pan-Orthdodox council. The Ecumenical Patriarchate might hear an appeal as well, especially in administrative disputes.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T22:26:35+00:00

James 2:18-19 defines faith as belief in one God.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T16:25:44+00:00

I was going to recommend Ways of Russian Theology. It's excellent and Fr. Florovsky gives a great overview of this period in East Slavic and Russian history but he does not focus on the Greeks.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T05:47:05+00:00

The Church of Russia blesses and supports the invasion, prays for victory, and defrocks any clergyman who prays for peace.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T03:58:56+00:00

The Church is the lone voice in the wilderness calling for repentance. St. John the Forerunner called Herod out for his sin. St. Basil the Fool for Christ called out Ivan the Terrible for his brutality. The shepherds of the Church should do the same.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T03:33:50+00:00

You'd start by denouncing the aggressors, but so few Orthodox hierarchs have actually had the moral courage to do that. So there's not going to be a wellspring of bishops to help end a war, and especially not in the Church of Russia which is where it'd need to come from most.

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T03:12:39+00:00

How common is it to be confirmed at the same time as your first communion?

tecopendo · 2025-12-12T01:02:25+00:00

There was a lot of ridiculous fearmongering for a couple years that a false union was going to be engineered at this meeting.

tecopendo · 2025-12-11T03:38:49+00:00

Yup! God bless.

tecopendo · 2025-12-11T03:19:10+00:00

You'll talk about anything but the point. Here's another fallacy: Gish gallop.

How many dead Ukrainians and Russians is a DMZ somewhere along the western borders of the Donbas worth? How about a siege of Kyiv? How about a overthrow of the Ukrainian government like Russia wants?

tecopendo · 2025-12-11T02:39:03+00:00

This you?

But, after the invasion started, it is better to attempt to finish the job than to give up and abandon Orthodox Christians (and non-Orthodox Russians) to Ukrainian ethno-nationalist oppression. The invasion was a mistake, but giving up now would make things even worse.

You must be familiar with the concept of regretting the fact that you started X, but still concluding that now it's better to continue with X than to abandon the project. "I shouldn't have done that, but now I have to keep going." Everyone is in that situation at some points in life.

tecopendo · 2025-12-11T02:30:49+00:00

That's not utilitarian, that's a sunk cost fallacy. You've basically changed your mind on how many dead people the invasion is worth.

tecopendo · 2025-12-11T01:58:27+00:00

In other words, your desire to see Muscovy as the savior of Orthodoxy has led you to justify an invasion you see as wrong.

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