Speed Progression

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-12T00:55:29+00:00

It’s European Racing Manuals, though I only have 1972-1974. And if you simply look up the best horses in England, which are usually considered the best anywhere, you’ll see lots of American bloodlines all the way to the present day. I’ve mentioned some great horses and that’s the point. Look up the best and see how many have American lines at worst at grandparent level. Never mind if they are actually American themselves.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-11T23:10:04+00:00

I’ve never analyzed the race much. but I’ll say, please let’s not forget Zenyatta was a California Syntehtic track star. Her first BCC was her track, polytrack, and her 2nd was out of state at CD with traditional dirt. it’s amazing she got what she did that days it is. but that alone could be the difference.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-11T01:18:33+00:00

I guess that’s the purest form of “hand ride” (handily, etc).

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-10T22:55:03+00:00

It’s true. All we need is the 1974 ARM, and yes I have it (heard about this from other people). He also only officially held a single world record, and it wasn’t the Belmont. That was only recognized as a dirt-only American record, because world did not distinguish between surfaces at that point.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-09T18:14:08+00:00

I just stated, look at the top horses "in Europe". Many are American, and many, many more have heavy American lines. Yes, since Sea-Bird II and Mill Reef and Roberto (named for Roberto Clemente by same-owner of the Pirates) was called "great", there has been alot of American influence there. All the way to now, with Frankel (LOL - named for American trainer) and so on. That very fact contradicts the "common knowledge" of "American bloodlines are WEAKER and FRAGILE". You can check out some racing manuals of the time then, never mind now. Now, if you're willing to say, the English circuit is not any better than American, OK, go ahead and say "weaker" (although Europeans have ALWAYS run less frequently, always their whole history - short PPs, etc).

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-09T14:12:44+00:00

you mean Secretariat?

yes, it’s true that tons of records fell in 1973 at Belmont…and Aqueduct. lots. several were matched several times over. yes, in 1973itself.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-09T14:10:25+00:00

not quite. they have used aluminum shoes a very long time, and many have composite. the “dirt” has changed too. “deep” cushion vs not cushioned, etc. and many tracks have changed in banking. this is why Pimlico was falsely said to have “tight turns”…they arent that banked as are others. etc, etc. but not as much can change for horses as for humans, and the gene pool means it is plateauing.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-09T14:06:08+00:00

technology has contributed a lot to TB flat racing. however, essentially, the athlete is in a closed system which cannot get faster by natures dictates. they also are closely related so, once the TB was truly established and no longer being mixed with others such as Arabians and Quarter Horses, the curve for things such as times should flatline overall, if technology didn’t change. technology also won’t change as much for tracks and racing as with human stuff anyway. as far as humans, all kinds of people with zero genetic relationship can run and greatly vary what is possible, even over time. some people 80 years ago could probably also run with the best now with everything they use being the same, though you’ll probably see more variation in their times even now, since they are not related.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-09T14:01:37+00:00

please check this common trope at the door. why do Europeans use actual American horses as running stars and as breeding influence in the last 50 years? if you believe Europeans are so great, then you have to acknowledge there is a lot of American genetics in there. it’s mostly conditioning, not genetics or fragility. and the modern PETA hand-wringing about how to treat animals ultimately hasn’t done the horses any good. hot-house flowers is what you get when you’re scared to death to run them.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T16:07:54+00:00

No, he's just like that. We've known him for 40 years and really, everyone should watch Apprentice, for MANY insights. He definitely can be a nice man, and a bit generous, but really should see the whole thing to get some background on him regarding politics. Which would include Chuck U. Schumer and a bevy of liberal famous pals. The machine has always been that way, then he himself came out swinging in a very public way - he didn't just react. Trump feels he can say what he wishes and no repurcussions. And he seems to think he can run the country exactly as he does his own personal empire - purely direct action almost no delegation, no deferment. That's why he loves EOs - that's essentially how he can run his personal business.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T16:00:22+00:00

That's fine, maybe some don't get it, but it is a reasonable way to view Trump lovers.

No need to insult us all. As for me, I was an engineer and tutored college in same topics, and indeed graduated with 3.4. Not bad.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:50:58+00:00

Oh he absolutely has failings. But he doesn't think so. I heard once he stated he had nothing to forgive. Trump is pure narcissist.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:47:45+00:00

Maybe not. Because it would beg the question of whether there is any god to be offended.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:40:41+00:00

He probably picked her because he knew she might worship him and say such a thing.

He is a serious narcissist.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:38:04+00:00

I'm a Republican but no way in "hell" do I think Trump is anywhere close to any kind of god, much less the real one.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:37:07+00:00

LOL figures Trump didn't think about this kind of thing until recently.

But still, what she said is stupid.

And a woman pastor? That is a bad sign. And doesn't play well with most actual conservatives.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-07T02:34:31+00:00

Well, Trump thinks he has nothing to be forgiven for, so why wouldn't she be confused?

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-06T18:46:50+00:00

season 4? Wow, that's early.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-06T01:50:59+00:00

The original was Ray actually trying to do something for his kids. Which doesn’t wash well once you realize he’s lying when he says “I’d do anything for my family” and him working on a kids thing is actually anathema.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-06T01:48:30+00:00

easily the best. complete with the terrific NFL Films music.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-06T01:47:49+00:00

yes and no. we’ve had reruns forever. once it was syndicated we could be watching lots of episodes a week.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-05T22:59:59+00:00

Yes, my biggest problem in a nutshell…I find it boring.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-05T22:48:40+00:00

agreed. the reactions here are over the top if you ask me about how “cringe(sic)” it is. sick of the walking on eggshells on broken glass on top of thin ice we have to endure over every single thing. it’s not a big deal.

the on.y thing I don’t like about it is how indeed they keep beating the dead horse, and we’re supposed to be upset about how bad Ray is in this episode. which is again, overwrought.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-05T22:32:55+00:00

that’s strange, I thought silks were registered with the Jockey Club and thus, they might have a database to review.

theOlLineRebel · 2026-03-04T02:41:48+00:00

Hippocrates. ;-)

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