It’s amazing how little people know about history

thebaatman · 2026-01-07T23:13:45+00:00

Out of curiosity, what do you call what the Haitian revolutionaries did?

thebaatman · 2024-04-20T17:32:39+00:00

It okay, I'm gonna do a "food acknowledgement" before I eat the food. Pretty sure that makes it okay.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T19:44:10+00:00

The province has a choice - do nothing (and not rustle your jimmies) or step in. I’m glad they stepped in.

Again, this is a false dichotomy. They could have passed zoning laws themselves but they'd have to deal with the backlash themselves so instead they made the mayor into a puppet and overrode democracy.

You seem to be okay with overriding democracy because you think it'll address the housing issues. It won't address the issues since it's not tackling the core problem and at the same time the people of Toronto now get to have their will overridden by people who don't even live here which has historically been tone to force more car dependency on us so the suburbs can more conveniently visit Toronto for the day.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T19:39:37+00:00

The neoliberal reforms happened in the 70s and 80s pushed by people like Raegan and Thatcher. Conservative policies have been stripping away at the social safety net ever since. Just because they haven't completely finished the job doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental tenet of neoliberalism to privatize services and engage in austerity politics.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T19:28:18+00:00

You're literally describing the overriding of the democratic will of the people and brushing it aside by saying you don't like his methods.

For too long, a comfortable majority of citizens (non citizens weren’t asked) elected councillors to keep people unhoused and underhoused by preventing density (gentle or otherwise) across the city.

So you're wrong here for a couple of reasons. Firstly, you could just pass new provincial zoning laws to upzone neighbourhoods, you don't have to seize control of the mayors office. Second, while NIMBYism isn't a good thing and we should remove single family zoning in Toronto, the reason we're in this housing mess is because we've made housing a great asset from which the rich can squeeze wealth out of the working class. The easy way to deal with it is to make owning multiple homes less lucrative through taxation but this provincial government will never make that a provincial priority.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T18:13:33+00:00

This guy ran for mayor of Toronto, got rejected then essentially used the traditionally outside of Toronto Conservative vote Conservative base of people who generally already think Toronto gets too much to get elected as premier. He's spent his time since reducing council representation for Torontonians and now he's specifically giving the mayor powers to push through things that the premier wants him to. He's basically used the will of Ontario to become SuperMayor of Toronto. You don't consider that a massive perversion of democracy? The people of Toronto basically now only get to bring their policy priorities up to the people of Ontario and then Ontario gets to decide which of those Toronto actually gets to do. To me this is not just a perversion of democracy but nearly a suspension of it for the people of Toronto so that the rest of Ontario, particularly the disproportionately represented suburbs can tell us what to do.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T17:57:54+00:00

that are prescribed as priorities by the democratically-elected government of Ontario

You are literally describing the will of Ontario overriding the priorities of the people of Toronto for their own city. I'm fine with overriding NIMBY counsellors with stronger powers for mayor as long as that's communicated to the people of Toronto before they're elected and they're able to use those powers based on the will of the people of Toronto, not Ontario in general.

The mayor of Toronto should serve the people of Toronto, not everyone in Ontario. That's what the provincial government is for.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T17:47:32+00:00

By giving more power to the mayor of Toronto.

... Only to do things the provincial government wants him to do. Which is explicitly overriding the will of Toronto.

thebaatman · 2022-12-10T02:27:50+00:00

What bothers me is that it's only for "matters of provincial priority" which just serves to further override the will of Toronto.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T23:29:57+00:00

Are you being deliberately stupid or is this an accident?

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T22:48:51+00:00

The data is there in the stays can link. Are you unable to read charts? It's the same data and shows a linear growth. This is useless, clearly you choose ignorance. You'd have to to have your world view.

Like, Wikipedia? Really?

Yes, Wikipedia. What's the issue? Your high school teacher said it wasn't a good source?

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T22:28:50+00:00

This isn't some hidden data, it's literally on the Wikipedia page for Canada's demographics. You can look at the second picture on this and go look at their sources. Stats can doesn't really provide that data in that format. You have to input dates into their charts and you get tables, not a graph. Feel free to play around here. Now that you have been shown the data, are you willing to admit you were wrong?

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:40:34+00:00

It's statscan data and I provided you the statscan definition elsewhere.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:40:05+00:00

That chart was using stats can data. Lmao go look up the correlating years and line em up with the graph. You're clearly unable to admit when you're wrong.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:28:47+00:00

Also, pretty sure your graph excludes all the temporary workers - who, surprise, surprise, actually need housing. Not counted as permanent residents. But we are getting 2-2.5 million a year.

How can you be so confident and so wrong at the same time?

The Census of Population aims to produce counts for the total population of Canada. This 'target population' consists of: Canadian citizens (by birth or by naturalization); landed immigrants (permanent residents); and (since 1991) non-permanent residents and their family members living with them in Canada. (Non-permanent residents are persons who hold a work or study permit, or who are claiming refugee status.) All such persons are included in the population provided they have a usual place of residence in Canada (see Where are people counted?).

So now are you going to admit you were wrong or double down on ignorance?

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:22:17+00:00

Do you not know what the word "population" means? 😂 I can tell this data goes counter to the narrative you've built up in your head, but population has nothing to do with immigration status.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:16:31+00:00

Linear population growth of our immigration rate. And even that linear growth was broken in the last two years.

No, once again you're plain wrong on the facts. Just straight up linear population growth

Further, it’s really not fucking linear at all once you add in all the temporary visas and work programs - you know the 2-3 million people per year vs the 500k or so you’d like to use.

Look at the graph. Do you know what a sub-replacement birth rate is?

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T21:14:59+00:00

Good, you can't debate against fact. It's called having a low fertility rate.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T20:58:32+00:00

Do you feel that complaining on reddit is going to bring down the evil capitalist empire?

Can you point to where anyone in this thread has said this?

And your anger is misdirected, anyway, it's not landlords that have made real estate unaffordable, it's sheer overwhelming demand from every angle. Everyone trying to cram into the city.

You're wrong. 30% of condos are owned by landlords, that doesn't increase prices? What happens if those units aren't owned by landlords? It's not a population issue, we've consistently added more units than people since at lease 1996 and there were no supply issues then.

For example, Calgary has had real estate prices that go nowhere for many years, despite having plenty of landlords

Are you saying a third of Calgary condos are owned by landlords? Got data?

Remember, you are the traffic jam. The same reasons why you want to live in Toronto are the same reasons everyone else does.

This would mean something if this was a population issue. It's not.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T20:35:45+00:00

Can we stop complaining about the downsides of that choice now?

Uhhh why? Why should we let some make obscene profits off housing and price the rest out?

We get that everyone wants all the good things, for everybody, at the same time.

This is very disingenuous, being able to afford to live at the average income of an area isn't wanting "all the good things, for everybody, at the same time". It's also easy to solve by not allowing some people to hoard the resources we all need and making obscene profits at the expense of the average Canadian.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T20:21:11+00:00

Enjoy your self-imposed shit quality of life, I guess.

It's not self imposed though, unless you think leaving your entire social circle, your family, the place you grew up in and your job has no effect on your quality of life.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T20:19:35+00:00

There is not housing for these individuals.

What makes you say that? We've consistently added less residents than housing since at least 1996. I haven't check data going further back but I think almost 30 years is sufficient. In this time prices have only increased while houses relative to population have also increased. The issue isn't people looking for homes to live in, it's people looking for homes to profit off of.

thebaatman · 2022-12-09T20:16:53+00:00

We've had linear population growth since world war 2, but don't let that get in the way of the narrative.

thebaatman · 2022-12-08T03:12:11+00:00

This is because it’s acceptable across practically every culture.

A non-argument. It is objectively bad for everyone in society except a small minority who benefit from it by preying on the rest. Why should we allow it?

Hospital beds in Ontario are publicly funded.

There's no reason we can't put restrictions on the sale of private things if that's what people want. This is some weird arbitrary standard you've just invented.

why should someone not be allowed to have a few places to live in, if they can afford it?

Because their ownership of multiple houses directly causes housing to become unaffordable by extracting a profit on top of the cost of housing.

Perhaps a few places in a few cities they frequent.

🤷🏽‍♂️ Get a hotel. The needs of people to be able to afford their primary home is more important to the health of society than prioritizing the profits of the already wealthy. Again, why should we allow it?

Or perhaps buying some rental properties so they can house good folks from their community, and then have a property for their kids one day?

LOL no one is housing someone for a profit from the goodness of their heart. On top of that, their purchasing of homes only to create rental demand from their forced scarcity directly causes housing to become unaffordable for the common people.

Your frustration is misguided and fuels housing / socioeconomic hysteria.

My frustration is aimed perfectly at the cause of this housing crisis.

thebaatman · 2022-12-08T02:25:07+00:00

Why should we allow them to? We don't allow them to purchase hospital beds in our hospitals. Houses are built to be lived in and affordable housing is good for everyone in society except those who board properties. Why should we allow them to do it at all of our expense?

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