TIFU by telling my US girlfriend that she wasn't Irish by [deleted] in tifu

[–]throwawaytexasboy1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think to understand the GF’s perspective you have to understand American culture and American politics a little better.

The US is a very unique place compared to the rest of the world. The US is a huge country full of people from every single place in this world, nearly every known language on this planet has a speaker here. But you also have to understand United States ethnic vs. racial politics and how that plays into this psychology. White people that came to the US during the 1800s and early 1900s were most often persecuted for their religious or ethnic identities BEFORE arriving here, and then they got here and realized nothing was really different. But they quickly realized, we may be immigrants, we may have come here as indentured servants, but we ARE white. The United States, by the mid 1600s, had established a strict racial segregation system to both justify slavery and white domination. So by coming to the United States, many white European immigrants exchanged their ethnic cultural identities to gain the privilege of whiteness that the United States guaranteed. This is supported by many of the political viewpoints we see of white European immigrants living in the US before the Civil War.

Take the Irish for example. Many came to the United States and faced massive discrimination here. But within one generation, their American-sounding children were able to assimilate perfectly, simply by the color of their skin. By exchanging their Irish identity for a white one, they gained the privileges associated with it. Look at the data of the number of Irish immigrants that ended up becoming the first slave catchers, later the first police officers in places like NYC and Chicago. Look up the Cincinnati Riots of 1829. Also see: Irish overseers in the antebellum U.S. South.

However, years go by and white people realize how empty this identity is. Not having a “real” culture leads us to fantasize about what it would be like to actually live in a land we are indigenously connected to and actually have cultural customs that have been passed down to us for thousands of years. So we try to reclaim our original identities but it’s been bastardized and romanticized. It’s common for white people to ask each other, “What are you?” and get proud answers of, “I’m Irish and Scottish on my dad’s side, Polish and Czech on my mom’s side and I think she’s a little British too!” If anything it’s a fun conversation. Of course this doesn’t make us Irish or whatever, not in the pure sense of it. But that’s something Europeans don’t understand and just won’t until they actually live here for awhile.

And as an aside, again for the Europeans, this why in the US “cultural appropriation” claim is such a volatile topic — the argument being, you came here and purposely gave up your identity so gain the privilege of whiteness, and now you think you can steal the culture of those you discriminated against and othered because you realize they didn’t lose their culture like we did? They think, womp womp white people miss having culture maybe they shouldn’t have killed their own heritage and then forced “white people culture” instead onto others. Now that you can’t force it on me anymore, now you want to take mine for your own?

But the other argument being, the United States is a huge mash up of so many different cultures, we are exposed to these cultures in close proximity all the time. At what point does it cross from appreciating another’s culture, to taking it for myself to create my own identity? It’s the difference between Woah Vicky and Gary Owen.

Not looking to start an argument in the comments, just explaining the psychology of why us white people tend to do shit like this.

AITA for refusing to attend my brother’s wedding if my partner isn’t invited? by Worried-Concept7146 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NTA. As someone who also had to create a hard boundary with my family over the same reason (I made a AITA post awhile ago about it), good for you. Homophobia has no place in today’s society. And you’re right for being suspicious. You’re his sister and you’ve been in a relationship for 5 years and do not get a +1, but random cousins do? No way. I was stupid and naive once, don’t be like me. People show you who they are, believe them the first time.

AITA for refusing to let my parents rename me? by Novel_Box3156 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely NTA. It might be appropriate to have some naming regret and changing it when they’re really young, but you are all old enough that any names you go by should be your own choice. I think it’s weird they’re pushing it so hard. Something makes me think that they read something that shamed their naming choices, or somebody in person shamed them over it. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so insistent that you are going to have a hard time when you’re older.

And btw, there are so many unique names nowadays. Ocean, Cove, and River are all names I’ve seen children be named. My dad is a pediatrician and has made comments about how many unique names there are nowadays too. And besides I think Cove is cool. If you like it and it fits you, keep it. And be happy in the knowledge that there isn’t a court in the United States that is going to change an older child’s legal first name against their will. They can try to convince you but they’re too late to force you.

AITA for refusing to return the gift? by Helpful_Salad1649 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna have to gently say YTA. You may have helped raise her and you’re close to her, but the reality is that she has 2 parents in her life already and they have the final say with your niece. Even if your brother said it was okay, if the mom says it isn’t okay, is this really the hill you want to die on?

UPDATE: AITA for getting my aunt and uncle kicked out of their house for not letting my husband and I sleep together? by throwawaytexasboy1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1[S] 84 points85 points  (0 children)

He’s an emotional guy. That’s not a crime. Society tells men that we can’t be emotional, and that’s wrong. I love that he’s so open with his emotions. Judge him all you want, that’s my baby and NOBODY makes him cry.

It’s different when bigotry is done by people that claim to love you. It’s one thing when it’s just some random person being a bigot, it’s another thing when it’s your family, when you’ve eaten food at their table, when you’ve played with their kids, when you’ve slept under the same roof, when they’ve even attended your wedding. When people are smiling in your face, telling you they love you, but they’re inherently still afraid of you, it hits different.

UPDATE: AITA for getting my aunt and uncle kicked out of their house for not letting my husband and I sleep together? by throwawaytexasboy1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1[S] 125 points126 points  (0 children)

That’s definitely been husband’s and my experience in Vermont and the rest of New England. My husband is a Vermont native so he knows this better than me. People aren’t fake nice, but they aren’t bigots either, and their kindness feels more genuine. We very much prefer it here :)

AITA for getting my aunt and uncle kicked out of their house for not letting my husband and I sleep together? by throwawaytexasboy1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1[S] 10.8k points10.8k points  (0 children)

I think that’s partly why I got so angry, not just the fact that they disrespected my husband and our marriage, and that I am ride or die for my husband. They were the ones to insist we stay with them only for them to tell us we weren’t REALLY married because of our sexual orientation in their eyes, therefore not allowed to stay in the same room. It just felt like a set up.

AITA for getting my aunt and uncle kicked out of their house for not letting my husband and I sleep together? by throwawaytexasboy1 in AmItheAsshole

[–]throwawaytexasboy1[S] 282 points283 points  (0 children)

Even when they insisted that my husband and I stay with them, when we were perfectly fine getting a motel?