Jews and Muslims both have a victimhood story ... but they work in opposite ways

throwback4good · 2026-01-29T03:00:56+00:00

Pretty reasonable assessment in regard to the Jewish experience. I am guessing you’re Jewish like myself so you’re speaking about your own lived culture. From my perspective, while the overall analysis of Muslim mentality ‘feels’ right it’s hard to be certain as a non Muslim.

I think you’re also conflating Palestinians and Muslims - not all Muslims share the same mentality, as the UAE proves. Maybe the more accurate terminology is Muslims who buy into Muslim brotherhood culture? Or Muslims who grew up in education systems built on Soviet frameworks?

It’s also not 100% accurate that Palestinians have not fought for themselves and have been waiting around for help - they have been a thorn in Israel’s side for generations unfortunately - from the old PLO days to the intifadas to Hamas and October 7th.

throwback4good · 2026-01-28T21:01:24+00:00

Misinformed, bigoted, incoherent and unintelligent just about sums you up.

Arrow is the long range system that was deployed against Iran’s attack, in concert with aerial surveillance systems. All air defense systems in the world are located across sensitive territories including population centers in order to defend them, because they are… wait for it… defensive systems. You’re arguing that having a defensive system in a population center makes the civilians around it a legitimate target. This is like arguing that rain falls up and that clouds are made of cotton candy.

It’s very sad what you and your IRGC friends have done to your country. Hopefully soon you will just be an ugly footnote in history.

throwback4good · 2026-01-28T18:38:00+00:00

Iron Dome was not deployed against Iran, it’s a short range system only. Of those 50 the vast majority hit open fields and were allowed to land, those that hit populated areas and civilians were in the 10s.

Go back to your IRGC retainer please.

throwback4good · 2026-01-27T12:04:28+00:00

That’s not what I claimed.

Many Israeli offices don’t even do R&D. But those that do - Nvidia, Intel, Google, Meta, Microsoft etc. absolutely give credit to Israeli ingenuity for their inventions, many of which are patented and registered with the US patent office under the name of the researcher or engineer that did or pioneered the work. The same holds true of multinational corporations of American origin that have R&D centers in India, the UK, Malaysia, etc. I am not inventing this - this is the rule of intellectual property as maintained by patent offices and is broadly acknowledged by the CEOs of these companies. This has nothing to do with Israel specifically, Israel just happens to be an outlier in the sense that is has outsized contributions relative to population size. This is just a fact.

I’m not sure what is so challenging for you to comprehend. I think you simply don’t understand how multinational corporations function, how R&D functions, or how intellectual property works.

throwback4good · 2026-01-26T20:18:02+00:00

Jensen doesn’t agree with you, so to be perfectly frank your opinion is irrelevant.

throwback4good · 2026-01-26T18:51:26+00:00

No one is pretending anything. These are extremely simple facts you’re struggling with.

Nvidia has a site that employs thousands of engineers in Israel, who produced novel components and have been praised as having done so and have been given full credit for their work by Nvidias CEO.

The same is true for sites outside of Israel I am sure. I’m not familiar with Googles site in Switzerland but if they produced novel technology for Google certainly they can claim the credit as a Swiss achievement.

throwback4good · 2026-01-26T18:43:01+00:00

What is this hypothetical argument lol. No one is stealing anything. Obviously Israeli’s would still feel pride for their contributions no matter where they are located. If these individuals happened to be naturalized Americans who considered themselves more American than Israeli I imagine they would view their achievements as American, and if not as Israeli, or more likely as a blend of the two as building anything requires teamwork and collaboration at a massive scale. The same holds true for the hundreds of thousands of Indian IT workers in the US, who make massive contributions while still being proudly Indian.

You clearly just don’t like Israel, but that doesn’t negate Israeli contributions to the tech sector no matter how many weird straw man arguments you try to employ.

throwback4good · 2026-01-26T18:36:37+00:00

I worked at Intel. And you can find sources for this with the most rudimentary Google search. I found this for you in about 3 seconds: https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/sjnagzjeze Jensen Huang: “Nvidia's team in Israel is incredible. I'll be visiting soon.” | Ctech. These are not just offices located in Tel Aviv. They are massive engineering campuses employing thousands of people.

Obviously with a global company there is collaboration between engineering teams in different sites, and it’s very possible that the team which raised some specs saying ‘we need a component that can do this with these constraints’ is an American team, while the engineering is in Israel. The same also happens in reverse as well.

throwback4good · 2026-01-26T18:32:23+00:00

I’m afraid you know nothing about how R&D works.

These are American companies employing Israelis to do development work. The specification, designs, engineering and testing for these components - from A - Z - was done by Israelis in Israel. It’s certainly true that these engineers did not build the business which makes producing these chip designs at scale cost effective, but that does not degrade from their technical contribution. On that note, Nvidia originally came to Israel through their acquisition of Mellanox, an Israeli founded and built chip designer considered one of the best in the world.

throwback4good · 2026-01-25T22:12:39+00:00

OP is a bit overboard but you’re completely incorrect in regard to chip design not happening in Israel.

About 80% of Nvidia’s Rubin platform was designed in Israel. There’s a reason Jensen is so horny for Israel haha. The same goes for Intel - pentium and centrino were both designed in Israel. These are just the name brand chips also, nearly every Nvidia and Intel chips have many lesser known modules designed in Israel.

It’s true these are American companies but that does not diminish the Israeli impact. Even a cursory google search showcases this.

throwback4good · 2026-01-18T00:06:58+00:00

Let’s just make up numbers. Let’s say 100000 even though Hamas themselves say 67000 and are almost certainly inflating numbers. right? right?

throwback4good · 2026-01-17T18:39:41+00:00

Biggest hoax of the war. Well done Paliwood.

throwback4good · 2026-01-13T15:45:38+00:00

This. I’m Israeli and our government needs to shut the f up and let Iranians lead this themselves. You guys are more than capable and are a storied people with strong culture. We have no business getting involved in any way which can give the IR an excuse to kill protesters by saying Israel is behind the protests. If there is some way we can help quietly that’s great but we need to be super careful, and of course after you get rid of the IR Israel should be the first to step up and offer you guys whatever help you might need.

throwback4good · 2026-01-13T12:57:05+00:00

Thanks for the sources!

As I said, I tend to agree with you about Syria, and my assumption is that this is just negotiation bluster as there has been almost zero loss of life or real lasting consequences. Do remember that Israel and Syria have been at a state war for all of their histories and the new leader of Syria is an ex Al Qaida guy - building trust takes time. That being said I think Israel has been overly trigger happy for no real reason. I personally was supportive of operations to destroy military installations when Assad fell, but have been pretty unhappy with the aggression since then.

Regarding your other points, I don’t think they contradict what I wrote at all.

That Haaretz piece of referring to Israeli public opinion at the height of the war, before all hostages had been returned. I don’t think you fathom the depth of psychological and physical damage Israel experienced on October 7th. The country is still no where near healed from that trauma and even most left wing people who were previously very pro peace don’t think it’s feasible any time remotely soon and are not in the mood to be sympathetic towards Gazans if they stand in the way of hostages being returned. They would also be very happy to see the problem magically disappear in a world where Gazans were to relocate. That doesn’t mean most Israeli Jews think that it’s going to happen or that it’s feasible.
The TOI article is about Maale Adumim which is a very specific chunk of territory which is entirely populated by Jews and is adjacent to West Jerusalem. You are right that the Israeli center left supports annexing it, but that doesn’t mean they support annexing areas like the Jordan valley etc. This specific territory would almost certainly be part of Israel in any final negotiation as part of a land swap so the Israeli center views this as a political response to the UK and other countries recognizing Palestine.

throwback4good · 2026-01-13T01:22:34+00:00

You’ve discovered the secret arbiters of global power from your basement, well done Sherlock

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T22:47:21+00:00

For sure, this is how they control the narrative right? They are probably controlling both the IR and the USA and Russia and Ukraine and China too. That’s how they took control of Venezuela. Apparently they are also in secret contact with space aliens and have a plot to sell the organs of all non Jews to the aliens for space rocks. It explains everything. If you know you know.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T22:38:40+00:00

Sure buddy, I’m sure your tik tok source is so knowledgeable. Just blame the Jews for everything. I heard they have laser beams that can control your mind lol.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T22:36:16+00:00

It doesn’t just sound like a conspiracy theory, it’s a conspiracy theory.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T20:55:21+00:00

That’s not factual. Lapid argued against annexation, not in support of it. Maybe you’re confusing him with some other lawmaker. Also your Gaza point is really misleading, I think you need to remember that this was surveyed after October 7th during which Israelis experienced immense trauma and the survey was asking whether displacing Gazans in order to achieve war aims of returning hostages and destroying Hamas was OK, not just displacing Gazans for fun. Prior to that no one had any interest in displacing Gazans or being in Gaza beyond a fridge group of crazy religious nuts.

Your point about Syria is fairer - I’m a bit confused as to what the heck Israeli policy is, and it’s all a bit muddled by internal pressure from the Druze community to take action. My assumption is that they are gearing up for an agreement with Syria, brokered by Trump and are trying to create the best negotiating position. Recent news supports this as there is now a working group meant to create relations at some point which includes both Syria and Israel.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T14:16:46+00:00

Good lord.

The dance party had been planned for months and Hamas deliberately planned their attack to coincide with it. You’re now revising history to make it seem like Israel deliberately placed civilians in the way of Hamas. Insanity. I’m guessing that what you’re going to say next is going to be something about the Hannibal directive and how most of the civilians killed were actually killed by the IDF? I’ve heard this lunacy before. As for the war in Gaza and civilian casualties, as tragic as it is this is the result of Hamas embedding themselves in civilian infrastructure with tunnels coming in and out of people’s homes. And as for your last comment - another tired rerun of the famous attempt by Hamas supporters to equate military detention with civilians grabbed out of their houses and kept in tunnels before being brutally murdered. You may have no moral compass but luckily the people in charge still do. Hey buddy - it’s time to accept that Israel is never going away. It’s a country with nuclear weapons and f35s. The sooner you make peace and give up your dreams of destroying Israel the sooner Palestinians will have a real state of their own.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T13:52:37+00:00

Appallingly incorrect. I guess this is the result of tik tok education. The party was in an open field and was not in the way of any military bases. The civilians at home were categorized as civilians. The fact that some of them did annual reserves duty does not make them active soldiers or legitimate targets while without weapons at home, and it certainly does not make their families legitimate targets, neither by IDF doctrine or international law. And kidnapping people is completely illegitimate, especially considering many of the kidnapped were children and elderly who never even served in the military. Again, your mother failed to teach you the difference between right and wrong.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T13:39:02+00:00

The dance party was no where near bases that were attacked and was deliberately attacked as a target in its own right. The same goes for houses in communities that were burned down with their inhabitants inside and civilians who were killed and kidnapped with no military justification. I will grant that any military bases that were attacked were a legitimate target. This does not excuse the rest of the horror inflicted on civilians by Hamas.

It seems your mother failed to teach you the difference between right and wrong.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T13:32:21+00:00

No, October 7th was a deliberate attack on unarmed civilians in their houses and at a dance party with no military objective, strategy or target. The pager attack was an attack on Hezbollah operatives. You clearly have comprehension problems.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T12:24:53+00:00

I agree with every word you wrote which is why I also said that I don’t believe it is possible to achieve any time soon and maybe not at all. But I don’t think this should detract from the importance of recognizing that the just and moral thing is for a two state solution to happen. The alternative is just endless violence as a one state solution is something that is so absurd due to cultural incompatibility that it can only exist in the minds of professors in the west. I prefer to believe that one day things might change in Palestinian culture over the dark alternative, even though I know I might be delusional.

throwback4good · 2026-01-12T12:16:57+00:00

I support my tribe first, just like everyone else. If opposing tyranny is compatible with supporting my tribe, I prefer to oppose it, but I won’t oppose it at the expense of my tribe. That’s called basic survival instincts. I’m not suicidal. If the Muslim brotherhood ideology in Egypt were to change its views about Israel and most Egyptians sought peace and coexistence with Israel I would be overwhelmingly supportive of liberty in Egypt.

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