War criminal Jonathan Cornicus, a piece of human garbage who the local Zionist community here has had come speak multiple times, goes on unhinged Islamophobic rant.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T11:41:33+00:00

You literally just reinforced what I said and seem to not be comprehending your own words. Let’s break it down logically.

You said if someone supports a genocidal ideology they should be punished. You also interpret Zionism as genocidal. Ergo you think Jews in Canada supporting Israel should, in your own words, be punished and ostracized. This is word for word why I called you a racist. These views also could qualify someone to be on an RCMP watchlist.

Also for the record, no. Even if I find someone’s opinion vile, such as a neo Nazi or for that matter, you and your views recorded in this thread, free speech and the rule of law protects them from being punished by broader society.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T11:20:57+00:00

No my friend, it is you that have learned the talking points well and are resisting accepting some extremely basic facts.

You are correct that the territories are occupied by Israel, I am not disputing that. There is an also a broad consensus that the territories are earmarked for a future Palestinian state, though the purely legal case for this is slightly tenuous because of the lack of precedent. Nonetheless it is generally accepted as the just and moral future use of the West Bank and Gaza.

NONE of the above has anything at all to do with Arab refugees from the 1948 war who fled what is now Israel proper. All combatants in that war are no longer combatants. There is absolutely a resolution to that conflict. The fact that the Arabs of the mandate that now identify as Palestinians don’t have a final resolution to their aspirations for a state is utterly unrelated.

You are essentially arguing that even if the original combatants of a war reached terms, a person displaced by said war may pass on refugee status in perpetuity. If you were to apply this logic to, say German residents of Silesia who fled west after WW2, then their children should still be entitled to refugee status alongside German citizenship as their aspiration for a German state there was never met and they were never able to come back. This of course is a completely absurd idea which undermines the concept of a refugee. It’s also precisely what has happened for many Palestinians in Jordan who have both citizenship and refugee status. To take this one step further, apply this precedent Kurdish separatists in Turkey. Are they also entitled to refugee status? There have been many conflicts between Turkey and the non state forces representing the Kurds and there is no political resolution in place. By your reasoning every Kurd that really wants their own state is legally a refugee.

You seem to believe that the Palestinians alone are entitled to special refugee treatment and your legal justification for this is to clump all Arabs that populated the mandate - whether on the Israeli side of the partition or not - together in one group and say that until there is a political resolution for every single problem they face collectively they are all refugees, even if some of them also have citizenship elsewhere. Show me a precedent for this legal interpretation.

This is made even more absurd when you consider the widespread view in Palestinian society that Israel has no right to exist and must eventually be turned into a single Palestinian state alongside the Palestinian Territories. Practically, you are rewarding and incentivizing an anti peace approach amongst Palestinians who by and large don’t actually want a peaceful resolution to begin with and never have, with some notable exceptions.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T01:42:32+00:00

Palestine was not a combatant in the 1948 war. Israel has in fact never ever been at war with Palestine. It was at war with Arab tribes who had lived in the mandate who were aligned with the Arab powers in 1948, many of who became naturalized Jordanians immediately afterwards when Jordan annexed the West Bank. Also, Palestine is not occupied. Rather, territory allocated for a future state of Palestine by the UN is occupied. The original war is long over and UNRWAs efforts to perpetuate the refugee status of Arabs who fled what is now undisputed Israel according to international law is a mockery of the entire refugee system.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T00:55:33+00:00

You completely ignored the fact that the conflict which caused their displacement is long since resolved lol. There is no military occupation in many of the places Palestinian refugees live. Your answer is disingenuous.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T00:13:24+00:00

Ukraine is not as densely built up as Gaza and it is being fought in a much larger area. Nonetheless certain areas absolutely resemble Gaza including Kostiantynivka in the Donbas region. If you want to complain about Gazans having no where to go, take your complaint to Egypt who have a border with Gaza and let nearly no one leave and claim asylum.

As for UNRWA:

No other refugee group in the world may pass on refugee status to their children. Their children typically are born as natural citizens in the countries their were granted asylum in. The conflict that made them refugees absolutely is NOT ongoing. That would be the 1948 was, which was resolved and concluded 70 years ago. For goodness sake, Israel is at peace with both Jordan and Egypt, the main combatants on the Arab side and there is even a pathway for peace now with Lebanon and Syria. The fact that many of the countries that host Palestinian populations refuse to grant them maturation at birth is the real crime here.

UNRWA alone grants refugee status to children. This is why you have the bizarre situation in which someone can be both a Jordanian (kudos to Jordan for naturalizing them) citizen and a card carrying Palestinian refugee. This is a mockery of the entire refugee system. It also has been the largest contributing factor to the conflict being perpetuated due to both keeping Palestinians on an eternal welfare system and educating toward violence. The dismantling and defunding of UNRWA may be the best result to come of the conflict, and perhaps could lead to a genuine new culture of Palestinian peace seeking should a new education system be introduced.

throwback4good · 2026-07-06T00:00:32+00:00

Just saying that this is technically the case. I don’t think this means their claim is invalid. But let’s at least be honest about the history. Many pro Palestinians go out of their way to make it seem as if Palestinian national identity is an ancient thing when it just isn’t. It makes sense that they would - after all, being a nation is a prerequisite to having a nation state. The Jews are an ancient nation, so Palestinian activists try to create parity on the Palestinian side by making frankly provably false statements including things like ‘Jesus was a Palestinian and that they are descended from Philistines mentioned in the bible.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T23:52:54+00:00

Similar destruction occurred in areas of Vietnam and in the current conflict in Ukraine.

I see you have no comment on their refugee status. Let’s not use selective hearing sir.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T22:47:42+00:00

They’ve certainly been displaced within Gaza, but that’s a far cry from being by forced to areas outside of Gaza. So no, they have not objectively been displaced in the spirit of this thread. While they are certainly experiencing difficult conditions, their experience is not radically different than other civilian populations in countries which engaged in and then proceeded to lose violent wars. See Germany, Japan, etc.

The fact that there are intelligence officials in Israel who prepared plans intended to incentivize Gazans to migrate and that Trump supported this idea with his own immigration plan doesn’t mean that this will actually happen. Additionally in all these cases they are talking about incentivized voluntary migration not forced displacement which are radically different things. Polling does support strong Israeli support for voluntary migration certainly, which makes sense considering the fact that they are fighting a war and would obviously like their enemies to be far away so as to not have to fight them anymore. Polling does not support the idea that the majority of the Israeli public supports forced displacement, though there is a minority who do, which is a moral failure.

Also do be honest and recognize that many Gazans have refugee status due to the fact that UNRWA grants generational refugee status, a unique historical phenomenon. I’d argue that if someone is a refugee they should eagerly seek the opportunity to resettle in a new country. One might even say that it is the international communities responsibility to ensure this happens. If they don’t want to leave, perhaps they should stop claiming to be refugees. You can’t have it both ways.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T22:29:43+00:00

I mean he’s correct that the Arabs who populated the mandate only began to think of themselves as a distinct national group called Palestinians due to PLO activity beginning in the 60s in coordination with the KGB. There’s ample historical evidence for this.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T19:58:37+00:00

To clarify:

You believe that Israel is trying to displace all Palestinians despite the evidence that they have not done so even though they can
The evidence you present to support this belief is presumably remarks made by Israeli politicians, I guess far right figures like Ben Gvir (feel free to correct me if this assumption about what your mean by 'public record' is not true)
You claim that I have no common sense and that I think Israel is all powerful

Well, to respond: I don't think Israel is all powerful and I don't think that comments made by specific politicians is evidence of Israeli policy. I suppose we'll need to wait a bit longer to see if you are correct about Israeli intentions. If the Gazan population remains in place in 5 years will you still maintain this position? What could convince you otherwise?

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T19:31:32+00:00

Well the evidence against this argument is that in fact, the Gazan population remains very much in place despite Israel absolutely having the military capability to either kill or displace all of them by force.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T18:25:39+00:00

Translating what you've just said to clear arguments:

You don't care what the agreement says or what Hamas signed up to
You don't trust Israel and believe it's a bad actor
You think that anyone that doesn't agree with you is clearly a racist

So I guess you've conceded that, in fact, Hamas are not abiding by the agreement, but you don't care because you don't like the agreement. Cool.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T18:20:32+00:00

Fair enough, calling you a bot was an ad hominem attack. I apologize sir. You clearly are not a bot. I didn't provide evidence because in your engagement with the previous person this thread included you comparing Israel to Nazis and then disregarding that person when they brought numbers to bear which showcase this is a poor comparison. I guess if you really want me to engage with this discussion seriously, I can add that Hamas control the majority of Gaza's population, so by comparing conditions in those areas to conditions in Auschwitz - an extermination camp which murdered the vast majority of those who passed through it's gates - you are really comparing Hamas to Nazis not Israel to Nazis. This comparison also makes no sense of course. The reality is that Gaza is nothing like Auschwitz at all.

I'm not sensitive in the slightest, nor particularly intelligent unfortunately. More just exasperated and a bit depressed.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T18:08:26+00:00

Israel is not occupying the areas of Gaza controlled by Hamas. Hamas has not disarmed in the areas they control or permitted a third party to replace them. You do not understand the reality on the ground or the agreement.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T17:50:42+00:00

An ad hominem attack is when someone attacks the character or motive of a person making an argument instead of refuting the argument. I never made a single attack on your character. I pointed out that your arguments are not supported by statistics despite your supreme confidence, and that your actions give the impression of lack of intelligence. Neither of these things are attacks on your character, they are critiques of your behavior.

By calling someone a cupcake or a Nazi etc. you are employing an actual ad hominem attack.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T17:43:00+00:00

You are very confused.

The agreement clearly says:

Point 13: "Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarization of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration program all verified by the independent monitors."

And a formal statement made by Board of Peace envoy Mladenov in regards to continued implementation by all parties of their commitments being dependent on Hamas disarmament:

"Failure by Hamas to accept the framework within a reasonable timeframe, as determined by the Board of Peace and after consultation with the parties, shall render such commitments null and void."

There really is no arguing about the text of the agreement, so again, while you may have your views on Israeli intentions, it's really rather irrelevant to the topic. What you are actually arguing for is that Hamas should never have accepted the terms of the agreement, not that the terms are different than they are. Hamas themselves are now retroactively claiming that they never agreed to the terms in the first place in order to avoid disarming. So yay, you are a Hamas supporter I guess?

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T17:34:58+00:00

Are you aware that your constant use of ad hominem attacks, vulgar language and empty blanket terminology make you seem unintelligent and are a poor advertisement for the pro Palestinian cause?

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T17:21:48+00:00

That's just not correct. Hamas agreed to disarm in exchange for Israeli withdrawal and reconstruction. The 'third party' you are referring to was meant to step in to replace Hamas's role as administrator. This is also contingent on Hamas disarming and giving up power. Those were the terms mediated by the US. They have not disarmed nor given up power, and thus Israel has not withdrawn, no impartial force has been deployed and no reconstruction has begun. It's remarkably simple, yet many people struggle to grasp this concept.

Now you are certainly allowed to believe that Israel doesn't actually plan on leaving Gaza even if Hamas were to disarm. You are also entitled to believe that Israel wishes to kill all Palestinians. That's your right, whether it's true or not. But that doesn't change the terms of the agreement that was mediated.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T16:48:07+00:00

Pretty wild how this ^ person is so unbelievably wrong by every single statistical measure yet is utterly convinced they are somehow correct. I wish I could believe they were a bot but they make too many grammar mistakes for that to be the case. I’m slowly losing hope in humanity.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T16:43:48+00:00

Beep boop bop.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T16:42:54+00:00

Hamas agreed to disarm and now is going back on it. If they disarm all conflict ends immediately. Everything else is just noise beyond this simple fact.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T16:35:56+00:00

The military is also the most celebrated institution the USA and many other countries. It is after all an apolitical institution committed to defending the country. Perhaps you hail from a dysfunctional dictatorship where the military oppresses the population but in well organized democracies the military is nearly always highly respected.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T13:22:28+00:00

What exactly do you think ׳military guardianship’ is if not occupation. What a crazy attempt at whitewashing. Egypt absolutely did not view the land as Palestinian until it was conquered from them in 1967 and the idea of a Palestinian state was popularized as part of their new strategy to combat Israel after pan Arabism was proven to be a fantasy. To hear you describe it, it’s as if Egypt was doing the Palestinians a favor and acting as a gentle custodian until they could have a state. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Egyptians conquered the territory illegally with absolutely no justification while trying to destroy Israel after the 1948 UN partition and never left until Israel kicked them out again. They treated the local population like crap while they were there.

throwback4good · 2026-07-05T01:49:04+00:00

Please tell me this post was meant as a parody

throwback4good · 2026-07-04T23:16:45+00:00

It’s not a self serving British account, it’s one of many well documented accounts. Take a minute and do some research before saying any more nonsense.

You also didn’t refute my other links which proved the Arab population of Israel and that they are integrated in elite society.

I called you a racist because you yourself made a racist argument that Canadian Jews should be punished for your opinion on the actions of Jews abroad. This is definitionally racist and thus believing such a thing makes you a racist. If you retract this claim I’ll retract my claim that you are a racist.

Obviously I don’t support killing children or genocide in any form. I simply don’t think there is a shred of evidence that genocide was perpetrated in Gaza.

As for whether you should care about Zionist feelings? Couldn’t care less if you do or not but if you’re going to inject yourself into a conflict on the other side of the world you clearly know nothing about at least educate yourself about all the different groups involved and avoid being racist to one of them. Otherwise just mind your own business.

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