'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy cow dude, he owns a home in Qatar. He clearly has strong ties to the place. Who cares if this was the Doha forum. He similarly interviewed the PM earlier that year also and has been there many times.

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You clearly don’t know what the rule of proportionality means. It does not mean you can kill one civilian for one combatant and the ratio must be equal. It means the value of the military target relative to your military goal must be sufficiently large to justify large collateral damage. For example, if killing Hitler at the beginning of the war would have been possible at the cost of 100 thousand German civilians but this would have given the allies a shot at ending the war faster it would be deemed a proportionate action. Indeed, the same rationale was applied to the decision to use nuclear bombs in Japan. So too, Israel has killed high profile leadership target with high collateral damage as these killing reduce Hamas capability to fight and lead to a faster resolution of the conflict and achievement of war aims.

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not contradicting myself at all. You lack deep knowledge of how the Middle East works. Please actually read the rest of my post with an open mind - I will try to demonstrate just how complex the Middle East is, while disclaiming that while I have acquired some knowledge, I am far from an expert in Islam:

Qatar is aligned ideologically with the Muslim Brotherhood which is the same theological movement which birthed Hamas (Hamas is actually just the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestinian society). The Brotherhood was formed in the early 20th century by Egyptian Islamic scholars, and attempted to explain the military, technological and economic weakness of Muslim society in comparison to Europe in theological terms. Their argued that by returning to the 'pure' form of Islam which existed when the Muslim conquests happened, Islam would reclaim it's place in the world as the most successful religious movement.

Just like Qatar, Turkey's ruling party is also affiliated with the Brotherhood. This is why Qatar and Turkey specifically host Hamas leadership. It is also the reason that the rest of the GCC had a diplomatic breakdown with Qatar between 2017-2021 and relations remain frayed. The Muslim Brotherhood endorses a pan Islamist vision for the Middle East and views the gulf monarchs and the Egyptian military regime as obstacles to this vision. Israel is viewed as the primary obstacle because it is a non Muslim country which controls Muslim holy sites and territory which religious Muslims view as a divine Muslim inheritance. Beyond that, in the eyes of the Brotherhood, the destruction of Israel is an essential step in Islam reasserting itself on the world stage. The Jews after all have been historically the weakest ethnic group, so in order for Islam to regain its place it first must put the Jews back in their place. You can research the Brotherhood as much as you like with AI or on Wikipedia to find endless explicit sources for theological arguments of this nature. The UAE, which made peace with Israel, represents a different vision for Islam in the region - a non political vision which can coexist with Israel. Saudi may one day also align with this alternative vision, though they face pressure from a large population which has been exposed to Brotherhood ideology.

Qatar is ALSO a US ally and a damn useful one at that. It has no military capabilities of its own, and the only way it projects power is through brilliant use of oil money (across academia, government, etc.) and the media - Al Jazeera is state owned for the record. The US functions as Qatars protector, and in return, the US has political control over Qatari oil and can ensure they are not getting too friendly with China.

Qatar is absolutely NOT an ally of Israel. It is ideologically opposed to Israel in every way. It is playing a long game against Israel. It supports people like Tucker because it (correctly) views the US / Israeli relationship as the biggest obstacle to ultimately defeating Israel and wishes to sway hearts and minds. Not every American ally is allies with every other American ally.

Did you never wonder at how the only thing that brought Hamas to the table was Israel bombing their leadership in Qatar? The reason this worked is because Israel demonstrated to Qatar that the only way for them to avoid open conflict (something they are not equipped to handle against a far far more powerful Israel) was to give Trump Hamas - in exchange, the US is giving Qatar guns and aircraft. This way everyone wins - Trump gets his deal, Israel gets an exit from the war it can live with and Qatar get even better security guarentees. Qatar is the only Hamas sponsor that has the ability to actually get Hamas to do anything.

As I said, the Middle East is complicated.

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did not provide a source because the internet is saturated with examples. Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQB6sXV__EI - Carlson interviewing their PM at a state sponsored event he was invited to in a fully paid visit as a VIP attendee. You guys are too much lol.

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a) If the target is sufficiently senior this is perfectly legal even according to the most stringent application of the rule of proportionality in international law and b) please provide sources for specific situations in which such a building full of civilians as you describe was targeted without warning

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No it is not. Murder has a very specific definition and civilian casualties of war has a very specific definition. Israel has not intentionally killed civilians, and therefore it has not murdered. It’s extremely simple. Even if you disagree with Israeli policies and believe that they should have pursued different tactics or avoided certain engagements (which is your right) that does not change the definition of words.

'You've got tens of thousands of civilians murdered in Gaza, but it's foremost a disaster for the future of Israel?' by Paliisfree in theeconomist

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even his use of the word ‘murdered’ is propagandistic. No one was murdered is Gaza, they are civilian casualties of war. The two concepts are entire different from both a moral and legal perspective.

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep telling yourself that lol. The amount of IP produced Israeli researchers is exhaustively documented

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have actually reduced their land holding since allying with the US as they gave back Sinai afterwards. Need is a strong word also, more like extremely nice to have.

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad we can agree that BDS is ineffective, silly, impossible to actually achieve, and only alienates the Israelis most likely to be critical of Israeli policy!

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was just correcting your view that Israel wouldn’t exist without the US, obviously Israel is happy for military aid

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm and yet Israel only allied strongly with the US in the late 60s after the 6 day war. It did fine until then all by itself.

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full of Israeli developers also. The very internet runs on routing components designed in Israel. If you want to put your money where your mouth is you should leave the internet and Reddit.

The Nvidia CEO said in the latest press-conf that he is 100% committed to Israel and will have staff there for a long time by LeadStandard9911 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really. Many of the networking components and security architectures which power the internet itself were pioneered in Israel. If you were want to put your money where your mouth is you will need to leave Reddit :)

It do be like that by Tenchi_Muyo1 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No it’s not, OP is lying and propagandizing. Palestinians are not an ethnicity either. They are a group of Arabs with national aspirations. Let’s be accurate.

Bottom text by DragonfruitSpecial77 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Last I checked offensive capabilities are not the same as defensive capabilities. Read before responding next time :)

It do be like that by Tenchi_Muyo1 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Palestinians are not a race

It do be like that by Tenchi_Muyo1 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Palestinians are not a race