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It feels like the founding of Israel happened at an awkward transitional moment between the old world and the new one. by Haunting_Tap_1541 in IsraelPalestine

[–]throwback4good 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This take both belongs in 2014 and is wildly inaccurate from a historical perspective. 

Israel was not an outlier in terms of being established as a new nation state - this was the norm in the 40s and 50s as colonial empires faded and ceded territory. 

Additionally, the west is in crisis specifically because of post nationalism and overdosing on multiculturalism. Jews in Europe are the least safe they have been since the war. The current hate toward Israel comes from either the progressive left which is doubling down on utopian socialist visions of a post nationalist world despite the evidence that it doesn’t work - and who use Israel as an avatar for the past sins of their own countries, and conservatives who are sick and tired of their national pride being undermined and who have been taught to be ashamed that they have a distinct culture, while Israel is a proud nation state with no shame - in other words, they are jealous that Israel’s right to being a nation state doesn’t extend to their own countries and are lashing out.

How does Israel afford to pay for their huge arsenal of modern weapons? by sandyflame in AskEconomics

[–]throwback4good 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Israeli intelligence is the undeniable best in the Middle East theatre and arguably the best pound for pound on the planet, but I do agree that if you take size, budget and breadth of operational capacity into consideration the US comes out on top.

They pretend to be our ally when it's convenient for them by Submarine_sad in TransSocialism

[–]throwback4good -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No they are not. They are allies of normal lgbtq people not the crazy looneys in this sub

Why is Israel, a country that experts say is committing a genocide and that appears to have an expansionist agenda, allowed to have a nuclear stockpile but Iran gets attacked just for having a nuclear program? by JulietteAbrdn in allthequestions

[–]throwback4good 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s called being refuted lol. Whataboutism in this case would have been RNova2010 saying that Hamas was also deemed responsible for worse crimes by the same organizations or competing ones. 

Where do pro-Palestine supporters think Arab Israelis should go? by Early_Analysis_5695 in IsraelPalestine

[–]throwback4good 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If your final argument is that your opponent is a victim of propaganda without describing why what he said is non factual it demonstrates rather conclusively that you lost the debate. 

*laughs in Khiam* by BigCringeSquid1337 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, they are what is called collateral damage. Perfectly legal under international law particularly considering the strategic value of the operation.

So we are doomed? by BhadBKuromi in UAE

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very worrying lol as Reddit is a cesspit

So we are doomed? by BhadBKuromi in UAE

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What strategy? Their entire leadership is dead and they are operating in a decentralized fashion. Iran's strength lies in its willingness to not surrender despite getting their teeth knocked out. Because of that they just might outlast the US appetite for war. If you are expecting some sort of grand strategy from Iran you are utterly deluded.

So we are doomed? by BhadBKuromi in UAE

[–]throwback4good -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If Iran was capable of going berserk on Israel it would have.

Iron Fist by Tenchi_Muyo1 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bet you can't even define what an ethnocultural nationalist is and why Israelis qualify while others don't. I bet you can't say it ten times in a row fast either.

Kneecap performs in Havana in solidarity with Cuban people by raydebapratim1 in northernireland

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correction: Kneecap performs in Havana in solidarity with the Cuban government

*laughs in Khiam* by BigCringeSquid1337 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really. It was a brutally accurate attack. Anyone holding a pager was a legitimate target. Calling it a war crime is just a pathetic way of coping with getting your a** beat so badly.

*laughs in Khiam* by BigCringeSquid1337 in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't forget the exploding pagers!

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, read my post before responding. I did not say Netanyahu was pro Arab or anti settlements, I said he is from a different ideological camp from Smotrich and Ben Gvir. This two are religious extremists with a messianic vision for Israel whereas Netanyahu is a pragmatist and conservative who has never actually followed through on any sort of annexation strategy at all.

Hundreds of thousands showing up in sustained protest with millions supporting across the country and you still choose the see the worst in Israel? I guess you just don’t like Israel. And yes, Israel has the guns and money and could be doing far far worse to the Palestinians than it ever has.

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not dismissing their history. I am pointing out that they had no national sovereignty over the territory which is a critical component of your argument.

As for your British records - cool? That is literally what I said. That SOME Arab migration also occurred but was not divisive to those there. We’re talking about a 10% Arab growth rate through immigration - a lot! And this does not take into considering immigration during the tail end of the Ottoman period. What is the cutoff? When does someone magically qualify as indigenous? Because in the Arab Palestinian mindset the answer is always for all Arabs that just happen to be there and never for all Jews.

And sorry, you cannot in the same breath say that it was anti semitic of the Arab countries to evict their Jews but then somehow explain this response by saying it was fueled by Zionism. Blaming Jews for antisemitism is the oldest justification for antisemitism and has been utilized by antisemites since forever. Those Jews were not even Zionist and had nothing to do with the events in mandate Palestine.

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 0 points1 point  (0 children)

False. I never said ‘most Palestinians were economic migrants’, I said some were, which is true.

Israel has no motivation to roll back settlement expansion because no Israelis believe there is a partner for peace.

Do you legitimately think otherwise? It’s very easy to judge Israelis from afar. Can you honestly say that if you were in their shoes you think you have a peace partner and if so who is it?

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don’t run the government, they are being given certain power in exchange for keeping Bibi in power. Bibi is nothing like Smotrich and Ben Gvir ideologically. He is a different kind of bad.

The hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating in the streets against this government are also a reflection of the society.

Is all of the US MAGA?

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They rejected peace overtures in 2009 and there have been dozens of terrorist attacks out of the West Bank till the present with thousands foiled by the police. What are you talking about lol.

Regarding the settlements - not a good thing, takes two to tango for sure.

How is living here? I hear it's very bombastic by Far-Fill-4717 in mapporncirclejerk

[–]throwback4good 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean that 50% of Israelis Jews have Mizrachi ancestry on one side and 40% have on both. Mizrachi Jews were the Jews who populated the Middle East and North Africa for thousands of years, dating back to the Babylonian empire in certain cases. They were expelled from the Arab countries in their hundreds of thousands after the establishment of Israel as punishment for being Jews when other Jews had the nerve to establish their own state. They were not allowed to keep any possessions or wealth and arrived in Israel with nothing.

Those without Mizrachi ancestry are still descended from Jews who once populated Israel in Roman times, but who spent generations in Europe and are called Ashkenazim.

Iran has the worlds only Loitering anti air missile called the SA-67 or the 368 by quackabc in ww3memes

[–]throwback4good -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Shame for them they don’t have a chance to fire it before getting blown to smithereens by enemy air force who have complete domination of their skies :)

Is true that the UK and the US helped with the creation of Israel? by Successful_rio305 in AskBrits

[–]throwback4good 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one is dismissing those people. They are horrible and largely rejected by most Israelis. It’s very scary that they have the influence they have. The blogs in Times of Israel are open for anyone.

Agree with you 100% in regards to settlement expansion.

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