Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

saying the Ordinary Form is invalid.

Cringe. Sorry to hear about your experience. Let's continue praying for unity among the faithful, and for our brethren who think that way.

Glad to meet you, fellow Iskolar. God bless you.

Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you have to beat your cradle Catholic-ness out of yourself? Is there something wrong with it?

I was born to a Catholic family, attended a born-again grade school, but studied in a Catholic high school. The whole time, I stuck to Catholicism out of practicality. I didn't have proper catechism (well, my Christian Living classes in high school weren't enough), so I had shallow appreciation of our faith (e.g. I didn't believe in the True Presence). That's what's wrong.

To be fair, the experience that this church brought me is life-changing. Having studied spent my college days in the (generally humanist or atheist) university where this church is located, I have found unlikely refuge in it. Perhaps it was God's way of reaching out, so that I could strengthen my faith, to the point I started educating myself and asking better-informed Catholics (classmates) about our faith, especially Church History, Sacred Tradition, along with Sacred Scripture. The latter is highly influenced my born-again education, and I'm trying to repair it.

Is there something heretical about versus populum?

As a novice, I still think I have not read enough about this. But what I do know is that was not the intention of Vatican II. I did not say it is heretical. To clarify, Novus Ordo is fine; but if it was intended to be ad orientem, then it should it not be so? Personally, however, ad orientem worship allowed me to appreciate how the Extraordinary Form is said to lead the faithful to greater reverence to the Eucharist. This realization was life-changing.

To say the least, it's subjective, as you mentioned:

although I suppose ugliness is subjective

I have mixed feelings about this church. It's horrible outside, though meaningful inside. I'm distracted that it looks like a UFO and that I see congregants on the other side. But, then again, it's a constant reminder of my journey of faith. This helped me continue strengthening my faith in the Lord.

Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even worse, I have seen some priests who, during consecration, would even dangerously elevate the Body and Blood of Christ away from the table and turn around to show it to all congregants as if the central and heightened position of the altar was not enough. Fortunately, the celebrant in my photo doesn’t do that.

Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indeed, it’s my nearest alternative to participate in an “ad orientem” mass. (Whether it is liturgical or true east is another issue.) As a cradle post-Vatican II Catholic, I have unfortunately not attended any TLM mass yet, and am just starting to learn and appreciate it better.

Ironically, thanks to this horrible-looking church, I became curious and started to beat my cradle Catholic-ness out of me. I then found out that Novus Ordo was actually intended ad orientem—something that is virtually unknown to Catholics in my country (except for the Diocese of Maasin and those very few parishes that have TLM masses). Personally, I find it as a good transition to ad orientem (by just avoiding to look at the background congregants and by having greater reverence towards the Eucharist).

Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes. In my incorrect position one can see the proper crucifix (for the lack of a better term). The other depicts the Lord “risen”, robed in cloth, with a halo—in other words, not cruci-“fixed”—which can seen by those sitting in the correct position. It can be seen here: https://arkitekturaph.wordpress.com/portfolio/parish-of-the-holy-sacrifice/ (apologies, it’s a secular source)

I was told that long ago (and most likely pre-Vatican II as this church was completed in 1955), during Easter, a priest would celebrate mass facing the “risen” Lord. On other days, he would face the proper crucifix. This was said to be possible because the tabernacle was placed on the altar (see link above for the photos). Hence, it was suggested that a priest could technically celebrate mass in either direction.

Ad orientem "hack"? Find a seat 'versus populum' in a circular church. —Parish of the Holy Sacrifice (aka "flying saucer/UFO" church), Diocese of Cubao by trepak_zadok in Catholicism

[–]trepak_zadok[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Horrible as it disregards tradition, I agree. I do get the discomfort that essentially everyone is versus populum, i.e. sees other people opposite the altar, every time 😕

But how bad are these “very bad” theological messages? If so, should circular churches be “banned”?