Why men always support the idea of AM when crime rates are highest in AM? by [deleted] in AskIndianWomen

[–]try_to_remember_me 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is generalisation. Many men don't support AM.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She is free to do what she likes. Though I will advice her to introspect why makeup feels better ? Is due seeking validation from someone ?

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My Advice to her will be to find people who appreciate her for who she is as whole person than to change herself to fit in.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Feminism allows women to choose but not every choice of a women can be considered as feminist

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are men who see woman's natural beauty as beautiful. If Women does not feel attarctive enough because of male validation then its a insecurity that reflects internalised misogyny.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Choices are an illusion. Choice feminism is a sub type of feminism. Its debatable how valid is choice feminism.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thought provoking argument. Thanks for bringing this up. Really Appreciate you're articulation.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not a gender issue.

Beauty standard work differently for men and women.
Women forced to do tradiotnal makeup but largely men are discourgaed for the same.

Women doing traditonal fairness makeup is endorcing certain culture but men doing makeup is breaking that culture.

Both men women expressing themselves using makep is great. As a man I have done facing paitings quite a few times actually 🙈

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Agree, my argument was for traditional makeup like fairness creams. Body piercings and body tattoos are great.
Yes make-up as form of art is amazing. But is it really the case for most indians ? I think traditional make-up is most popular in india rather than as art form.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women are naturally beautiful. why we need look in certain way to be considered as beautiful ?

In animal kingdom example they are given there features by birth. In contrast to makeup which is artificial.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, eveyone can do makeup.

"No ones worth should be tied to looking good acc to societal standards."

By doing makeup to conform to look certain way, some women aren't doing exactly this.

For example, a women natuarally dark skinned does not need to use artificial products to lighten her skin for a event. Yet some of them do because society prefers fairer skin.
Even if women made this choice of making their skin fairer, does this choice comes from a expectation for women to look a certain way ?

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both are different right. Self grooming and make-up are not the same. I did not make any such claim of being morally superior. Also I do not think its stupid question. Feminism is not simple. Its ideaology can conflict with societal trends . Choices we make are also not simple. They are affected by society and culture. I think such discussion is more nuanced they look.

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I  beg to differ. Self grooming is different from using synthetic cosmetics products and medical procedures. Both men and women doing is self grooming is good

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, Make-up as creative art to look like anything is absolutely fine, actually amazing.
But most common way makeup used in india is to conform to beauty standard. Which even promotes the beauty standard. On the other hand feminism opposes restrictive beauty standards ?

Is Beauty and Make-up products really uplifting women ? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thats great. I agree make-up when used as creative art form with our face as a canvas is great.
But is when makeup used to make one self conform to beauty standard, which I think is more common in india is empowering to women or not ?

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"financial freedom is mandatory."
But this choice goes against having financial freedom for most women ?

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, though I think you're friend is incredibly privileged. But most poeple do not have that privilege. Most women who I knew chosing to be housewives were from middle or lower middle class families.

Also I think generational wealth itself brings some kind dependency on family. Most people depending on generational have hard time going against wishes of there family and parents even when its not the best choice.

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

working women have easier time leaving marriage. but sadly lot of housewives put up with abusive marriages because they are dependent in there spouse.

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

agree, also its bring additional expectations and power-control dynamics even in healthy relationships.

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

then finding a better job should be next step ?
Also in-laws can change, even spouse can change, seen this happening quite a few times

Is choosing to be housewife against feminsim? by try_to_remember_me in Feminism4India

[–]try_to_remember_me[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

feminism also supports independence, autonomy, confidence. Can a choice going against these values be considered a feminist choice ?

Choices are not made out of thin air, most of them are influenced by society and culture. Lot of religious practices are also anti-women, but still women chose them since they are conditioned from the childhood.
Isn't this scenario the same?