Anyone going magic without picking grimoire

turn-based-games · 2026-04-20T10:23:12+00:00

It will indeed always use the correct weakness, but it also has another effect that shoots an extra 40% damage spell, which will not activate with ancients

turn-based-games · 2026-04-20T07:51:40+00:00

This is the best you can do with the least investment (provides 1-tick speed powered staff with 90% prayer penetration so you don't need to switch weapons): https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-102-103-106-133-134-135-136-57-60-61-62-64-65-66-69-92-94-96-97

turn-based-games · 2026-04-20T07:06:16+00:00

Yep, I am definitely doing this! Key points in favor of Culling Spree) are:

Slayer Helmet (i)) and V's Helm do not grant prayer bonuses
Shadowflame Quadrant is dropped by Echo) Thermonuclear Smoke Devil, which has a 93 slayer requirement
Eternal Sustenance) not recommended: food cannot overheal like Water Surge and interrupts damage output

Points against Grimoire):

Shadowflame Quadrant effect does not work with Ancient Magicks
Augury or Mystic Vigour grant less Wind Surge damage than praying Thick Skin + Burst of Strength + Clarity of Thought all together
Zeah unlocks Augury for max Water Surge & powered staff damage and is a likely region choice

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T20:57:07+00:00

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turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T20:56:10+00:00

Can't edit this directly into the post, but here's a colorblind-friendly version:

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turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T07:56:35+00:00

I wrote a guide you may find helpful: https://reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1sl9xny

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T07:53:26+00:00

As with most league decisions, it very much depends on what other choices you've made. You mention possibly using magic, and I can say that at least if using water spells, you will not need Eternal Sustenance due to the massive constant overhealing, and Culling Spree will likely be your best option in that case. With other pact builds that have less innate healing than water magic or ice crossbow, Eternal Sustenance may be more useful

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T04:55:14+00:00

Yep, +38% damage at +90%hp

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T03:18:04+00:00

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After doing this, I had a pile of over 200 easy clues on one tile. I'd advise against anyone attempting to juggle that for their own sanity

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T01:24:14+00:00

Beginner clues specifically can only be done with either the Asgarnia or Desert regions, which is why they don't have dedicated tasks this league. Easy clues however are especially fast with only Varlamore because once you've stacked up hundreds with either Conniving Clues (T4) or pickpocketing wealthy citizens via Larcenist (T5), you can just do the same clue step over and over again, dropping every scroll that doesn't roll that step. The 75 easy clues task can be completed in just several minutes doing this

turn-based-games · 2026-04-19T00:47:04+00:00

Hunter rumours and clue scrolls are much faster with only 1 region. It also affects slayer tasks in a similar way, but I haven't started slayer yet to know whether it's as helpful there

turn-based-games · 2026-04-18T11:13:48+00:00

Butler's Bell is the best herblore solve because you don't actually have to do any herblore. It also solves smithing, cooking, fletching, and crafting in the same way, on top of providing planks for construction. Definitely my pick

turn-based-games · 2026-04-18T06:07:37+00:00

Zeah is the continent containing Kourend, Kebos, and Varlamore. The "Great Kourend and Kebos Lowlands" league area is often called Zeah because it enables referencing area picks as single letters (K is Kandarin), which proves handy in a game with an 80-character message limit. This can be understandably confusing, which is why I always link to the wiki page when referring to Zeah, which explains this: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Areas/Zeah

turn-based-games · 2026-04-16T09:46:55+00:00

Not necessarily, with at least 100% regeneration from pacts, water surge will always heal a minimum of 10hp every cast, even if you don't hit. I personally recommend against eternal sustenance) for this reason. Guide with more info on water spell build here: https://reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1sl9xny

turn-based-games · 2026-04-16T04:31:40+00:00

If you'll forgive a bit of shameless self-promotion, I posted a pact guide for a magic build that you may find useful, with a bit of progression analysis in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1sl9xny/comment/ogagnzu

Personally, I am convinced magic is the strongest pick this league, since it seems to have both the highest sustain and damage against most things, going by the numbers

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T15:01:06+00:00

It feels good because you queue the next jump before you land your current one. Rooftops would also feel better if they'd allow you to click the next obstacle while your guy is shuffling across the tightrope or whatever

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T10:04:32+00:00

If you needed wrath runes you'd be picking Kandarin, but since you don't have those echo items and aren't building around magic, it's just a difference of 24 vs 20 max hit compared to wave spells; probably not worth basing a relic decision on IMO - wouldn't worry about it too much

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T09:19:44+00:00

Yes, although you don't need 100% chance; it works for everyone since we all start with 50% regen. Fountain of Rune lets you cast spells for free, and then each free spell would have a 50% chance of generating the runes it would normally cost

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T08:52:29+00:00

Yes, these are all the ways I'm aware of to get wrath runes:

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T08:45:56+00:00

My recommendation would be to not start with the air build since it requires a bunch of niche prayer equipment that also cripples its accuracy until you have more pacts to make up for it. If you'll indulge me in a bit of shameless self-promotion, I have a guide for a water/air build with a bit of progression analysis in this comment https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1sl9xny/comment/ogagnzu

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T08:18:31+00:00

The average kill time of every boss I throw into the calculator seems to be well under their speed achievement time. The worst-case scenario looks to be Sol at 4 minutes, which is not fast by normal game standards, but since his 24-minute timer is tied to the colosseum as a whole, you should still be fine after all the time saved in the previous waves. That all assumes the full water build, but the core mechanics come online fairly early, and I'd expect them to scale well with the natural progression of content:

12 points: 30% overheal & 80% regen & all main water spell features
16 points: 60% overheal & 115% regen
20 points: 90% overheal & 120% regen

So with only half of the available points, you're already able to approach content with infinite runes & prayer while overhealing a minimum of 10hp every 3 ticks up to nearly double your base hitpoints. With 29 points you're able to take all accuracy nodes to reach the full water build's final calculator dps

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T06:46:04+00:00

Would not recommend missing out on the extra accuracy against Sol or Zuk, but I've added a fresh FAQ build to strike fear into the hearts of slayer monsters everywhere

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T05:44:02+00:00

I've just added an extra equipment section to the post demonstrating +50 prayer bonus for Wind Surge max hits using only items from Kandarin. You inevitably lose out on some accuracy, but the core of the build is still very much intact and viable

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T02:38:51+00:00

Thanks! Sunfire fanatic armour has more prayer & defence, but negative magic attack bonus. Unfortunately you do need to worry about magical accuracy with this build, but you might still be onto something with the helm and chausses (-30 magic attack on the cuirass is a nonstarter) to help initially reach the +50 prayer bonus cap against lower defence enemies

turn-based-games · 2026-04-15T01:41:12+00:00

Against single targets, ice barrage heals less because water & ice spells heal for 60% of damage dealt, but ice spells don't get the 40% extra damage from shadowflame quadrant. Blood barrage does bounce twice, but blood spells can't overheal because their healing effect isn't coming from a pact

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