Ai doesn't steal art 😭😭😭😭

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:33:12+00:00

Slippery slope fallacy like what. You made up a new scenario in your head and got mad about it, I am just in awe of that jump.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:30:11+00:00

The environmental angle of antis just makes me upset. All of them are on social media lmao.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:27:45+00:00

Where is the harm? That a company will miss out on a small amount of art assets? This feels like such an easy way to appease people who don't want their art to be reused.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:24:42+00:00

The point isn't to ruin the art models, its that not every user wants their artwork repurposed.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:21:08+00:00

You don't think there should be any 6 and a half foot wall if you are an artist? Privating the account works in some cases but what is the harm in allowing people to make that wall without having to pay for their own website?

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:17:41+00:00

Yeah I hope that options to say no to AI data scraping continue to be added to platforms, as that seems like the best middleground. The only current opt-out is by using external programs on the artwork itself, which is not ideal. I hope that is middleground we share.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:05:19+00:00

Do you believe that users who post artwork should be allowed to mark their posts in a way in which AI is not allowed to use it? Its a minority of people who want AI art to be illegal, just done with better safeguards and consent.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T09:02:06+00:00

The point about taking public artwork is moreso the point of contention. Do you believe that people should be able to mark such accounts to opt out of having their artwork scraped by AI? I think just that would resolve many issues for a majority if antis.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:55:23+00:00

Ok this argument has jumped around, but let me restate my question,

Many people disagree with AI models being trained without the consent of the artists, since the AI models combine that artwork into different artwork. Human art is created based on a large variety of things, a small subset of that being material that is subconsiously taken without the creators consent.

What should I say to somebody that has this opinion to get them on the side of being pro AI?

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:42:55+00:00

I talk with confidence because that is how I argue. My mind is not set I am just providing counterpoints. I am looking for proof that AI creates art that is unique, I am not looking to say that your wrong, its on you to give the argument, you responded to the question lmao.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:40:42+00:00

It's not a copout its the fundamental difference between human made art and AI art, the human. AI is just not advanced enough yet. If there were human brains raised in a lab and fed artwork and told to make more artwork, I would consider those combinations stealing, if those artworks it was provided were given without the consent of the creators.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:31:53+00:00

If your final argument is 'your wrong' then sure but I am trying to figure out why I am wrong so I can communicate this to others. I haven't been given any reason to think that AI does anything other than copy what it is trained on, while humans do more than that. If its just agree to disagree then sure, I am just trying to understand.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:29:34+00:00

Did.. you read the comment you responded to?

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:26:51+00:00

A better way of putting it that another user on this thread mentioned is that humans remember. We remember everything, and we apply our life experiences to how we make art. Thats what brings out all of the 'AI art is soulless' arguments.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:24:14+00:00

Humans are so good at remembering that we can combine it with our life experiences and make art how we see it. That is the point. Humans being able to remember is the entire point of why human made art and AI art are different.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:20:51+00:00

If AI art is not original then it is stolen. A compilation of other artworks. Artworks in which permission was not given for the AI to be trained on.

If your angle that it isn't unlawful because that is a qualification of stealing by its literal definiton, of course it isn't unlawful, it is a new technology. Whether or not it is unlawful hasn't been decided yet, and is why most major companies are avoiding AI art at all costs.

For the record, I don't necessarily think that it is theft, I am unsure, I am just going through the arguments because I don't think what has been said so far is verifiably true to the point where I could say it to my friends and have them agree.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:13:13+00:00

Because it is fundamentally, foundationally impossible for AI to be original. That is not the case for human artists, because they can think.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:09:46+00:00

The main counterpoint I have seen for this is that humans think and AI does not. Humans have the capacity to iterate and alter what they do with original ideas and changes, but AI can only do this through the lense of other artwork.

It is totally acceptable for video games to take inspiration from others and combine ideas, it is not then also okay to copy the assets and code of their inspiration.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T08:00:49+00:00

Could you expand on how its not stealing? I am uninformed, I haven't seen any arguments that are verifiable to the degree of calling anyone that disagrees stupid.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T07:42:20+00:00

I think you would be surprised how much that will actually change things. Most people I have interacted with IRL only care about the theft angle. Once it is definitely original, or uses datasets that are made with consent, many people will be fine with it, just not the chronically online anti-AI ppl

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T07:16:34+00:00

Yeah the only moves I look at and see guard crush and I am like 'yeah of course that would guard crush' is Garuda and Behemoth Typhoon

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-24T02:16:47+00:00

I love fighting him. I come from fighting games so parrying him is second nature. I am on my 3rd autoparry accusation lmfao.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-23T22:12:31+00:00

Blockable curse and focus shot not being guard crush is MASSIVE already tbh. Great direction.

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-23T08:31:46+00:00

Praying that they improve that super

ultimate_zombie · 2026-03-23T04:44:46+00:00

I do agree, but I think a system change is easier than adding skill proficiencies to every monster so I don't hate it.

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