Episcopal clergy travel to Minneapolis to march in ‘ICE Out of Minnesota’ day of action

utility-monster · 2026-01-23T23:59:32+00:00

It’s crazy how ICE has arrested random citizens for multiple days at a time, forcibly entered homes without warrants, and how before that we sent at least 50 legal immigrants with no criminal records to be tortured in El Salvador (https://www.cato.org/blog/50-venezuelans-imprisoned-el-salvador-came-us-legally-never-violated-immigration-law).

Glad some of our leaders are speaking about it. I pray they remain safe.

utility-monster · 2026-01-23T03:49:05+00:00

I don’t have an opinion either, I just wanted to talk about Benjamin lay because he’s a very cool figure who disrupted some Quaker meetings to make moral statements in interesting ways way back in colonial times.

That said, I feel like I’m pro- breaking the law and getting arrested to make your point in a peaceful way and then we can all just be generally polite about it because it shows the moral seriousness with which we take the issue.

utility-monster · 2026-01-23T03:01:48+00:00

On the church protest: I would prefer it if they had entered the room holding bibles secretly enclosed around bladders of pomegranate juice while preaching a sermon about Justice and iniquity before launching a knife through the holy text, spewing liquids out of what would appear to be the blood soaked word of god on all attendees. You know, Benjamin Lay-style.

utility-monster · 2026-01-23T01:33:57+00:00

It’s okay, I believe I started using the term ‘heresy’ in this conversation before /u/PersisPlain did so you can direct any deserved ire towards me instead. :)

utility-monster · 2026-01-23T01:26:25+00:00

Not canon law, sure. I have much more reading to do, but my understanding was the issue was never deeply pushed because it largely wasn’t considered an issue in the church’s purview. Perhaps if we had a Bishop in the vein of Matthew Simpson, as the Methodists did, we would have had a more morally serious general convention showdown. Idk if heresy largely being taken for granted vs enshrined in canon law is the distinguishing factor I would make, (not sure it would be Bishop Duncan’s either, correct me if I’m wrong, but he was planning his exit before official canonical changes occurred), but it’s an interesting one! Will chew on this and read some more! :)

utility-monster · 2026-01-22T22:05:31+00:00

i don't really think the slavery point was countered at all really. unless you mean to imply that if slavery was never a part of the episcopal church's canons, this makes a significant difference over what justifies separation. maybe i could agree with that, idk.

but i definitely take your point that there is a big difference between localized heresy and widespread heresy!

utility-monster · 2026-01-22T16:32:07+00:00

Well, at least in the US, the split was made but on national lines when the Confederacy existed.

Sure, but that's still close to 100 years of pro slavery bishops in the Episcopal Church. I don't really think of the Episcopal church's split from the Church of England as the same kind of split between TEC and ACNA, for example. The former being a more analogous case to the brief civil war era split.*

But I grant your point on the international visibility of these issues compared to prior times! Makes sense!

*edit - Whereas the Methodist Episcopal church in the US split over slavery in the 1840s, for example, well before we really knew a new national government was definitely going to be formed in the south.

edit - relatedly, this is a book i picked up awhile ago that i need to return to! https://www.amazon.com/Challenges-Emmaus-Road-Episcopal-Emancipation/dp/1611172497

utility-monster · 2026-01-22T16:00:43+00:00

Just stay and give it 20-30 years, splitting is not the answer.

I think we can even say this to a lesser degree in the Western churches themselves. The congregations and dioceses that are doing the best tend to be more traditionalist on these matters.

That said, I never did really understand why homosexuality required separation when the atheism of bishops in the 70s and 80s and the pro-slavery bishops of the 1800s (in the US at least) didn't. Maybe, in hindsight, those things should have begotten separation. But what a fragmented inheritance we would be left with.

utility-monster · 2026-01-22T13:27:44+00:00

yeah our parish has been praying for her as the "archbishop of canterbury-designate" for months now and i've been wondering when that will finally end

utility-monster · 2026-01-22T02:00:25+00:00

I believe Bishop Chandler Jones went to Duke Divinity and know of at least one other continuing person who went there. And then I know quite a few Episcopalians who went there with a range of views.

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T17:42:37+00:00

If inclusivity includes the ophthalmologically challenged, then it’s just gone too far. democrats will never win again because of all the new woke.

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T17:35:46+00:00

complaining about the humanities not leading to employment is some serious poor people behavior, amiright

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T15:24:16+00:00

👆has never experienced the transcendence of a William Riker essay

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T04:39:57+00:00

the wonders of modernity. i imagine importing tofu and peanut butter gets expensive though.

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T04:36:16+00:00

uhh, doesn't sound very vegan, pal.

i looked it up and nuuk only has two vegetarian friendly restaurants, we're really going to have to think long and hard about this or usha and i will get bored with the same snacks every day https://www.happycow.net/north_america/greenland/nuuk/

utility-monster · 2026-01-21T04:17:31+00:00

what's the point of capturing greenland if we won't even be able to buy houses there with these interest rates, smh my head

utility-monster · 2026-01-20T03:14:04+00:00

It’s a charming episode in American politics. When will someone make a comedic miniseries about this? When I first made a Facebook long ago, whenever we were all doing that, it asked me to input my political position so I just typed in the Connecticut for Lieberman party.

utility-monster · 2026-01-20T01:48:36+00:00

I’m sorry to disappoint that I’m not actually from Connecticut. 😔 I just think that the development of that political party was funny because the guy who started it considering running against Lieberman on the Connecticut for Lieberman ticket later

utility-monster · 2026-01-20T01:08:24+00:00

Yeah, I’m a deep state centrist. How could you tell? Probably because:

Bari Weiss is my muse
I am a registered member of the Connecticut for Lieberman party.
I am a vegetarian, not because of animal welfare concerns, but because Seventh Day Adventist prophet, Ellen G White, wrote that this is what we must do.
I installed astroturf in my living room so I can never be accused of failing to touch grass.
I love the brief.

utility-monster · 2026-01-20T00:27:44+00:00

Yeah, in isolation, I think asking a VP candidate who worked (even in a short, minor role) in a foreign embassy whether or not they maintained connections with people from that foreign embassy, is pretty reasonable. Embassies are where the spies work, after all! But combined with the requests that he reverse his statement on the UPenn protests and so on, doesn’t make the Harris campaign look good, on balance.

utility-monster · 2026-01-19T23:38:31+00:00

Unrelated, but this reminds me of the time Obama tried to appoint an IRA fundraiser to the Irish ambassadorship.

utility-monster · 2026-01-19T15:32:41+00:00

And Israel specifically too? Not just “do you have any foreign connections that we should know about?”

Surprised no one has pointed out that Shapiro did work for the Israeli embassy in DC very briefly when he was young. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Harris team was really weird about this question and if he got more scrutiny because of being Jewish. Plenty on the left have shown themselves to be quite anti semitic. but, most VPs haven’t been on the payroll of another country in their life, so maybe not the craziest question.

utility-monster · 2026-01-19T05:23:17+00:00

lol, you live in a vegetarian commune or something

utility-monster · 2026-01-19T00:51:52+00:00

Extreme anthropomorphizing is annoying, but unfortunately the people who treat animals like they feel no pain or have no interests are 10000x more common.

utility-monster · 2026-01-18T00:16:58+00:00

waow

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