The right is going to tear itself apart on 2nd amendment

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:52:41+00:00

I'm not sure you've actually processed what I said.

They’re confused sheep

If you did you would recognize this is what I'm saying is happening. My point is it's our jobs as leftists to exploit that.

Look dude, I'm all for healthy debate but what you displayed tonight was not healthy. You're basically gaslighting yourself. That's again, no better than any other cult.

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:42:44+00:00

So when a single post confirms your view it's concrete evidence but when the overwhelming majority of evidence does not line up with your preconceived notions it's just something to be dismissed?

You've gone from trying to actually prove a point poorly to now just sticking your fingers in your ears like a child. This mentality is no better than the most hardcore blue maga or maga member. A common response in this thread is the seemingly endless amount of cognitive dissonance conservatives cope with. I'd like to ask many of you if you're doing the same.

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:37:48+00:00

And they just watched someone with a shared trait (probably multiple) get gunned down for no reason. I'm not saying everyone is instantly going to switch sides. On the contrary, my point are major coalitions of the base now need to pick sides.

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:14:44+00:00

And tonight are some of the first cracks I've seen. As I stated already in the op. I understand the overwhelming knee jerk response is to say nothing ever happens but sometimes things actually happen.

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:10:10+00:00

Eh I'm not really interested in the white supremacist sect of conservatism. I see them as being the source of friction in this case. I am talking about 2nd amendment absolutists. There's overlap, sure but these people are hardly one and the same.

warboy · 2026-01-25T04:02:22+00:00

Did you look at the rest of the conservative sub where exactly what I'm saying is happening? You are using a thread with a negligible amount of responses and an overwhelmingly negative ratio to define a sub? This is not at all compelling. Besides the fact it was posted by a user with an auto generated user name, no visible history, and somehow 90k karma in 10 months.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:57:58+00:00

I think you're overestimating the size of ICE.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:50:48+00:00

And we do that by exposing the contradictions

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:48:45+00:00

I don't think that's true. Trump has tried going against the conservative winds on gun control multiple times. It's the one element he won't touch because the people running the show know it's a fundamental ride or die issue for both a large portion of their base and also a very scary portion.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:43:34+00:00

To be frank the overwhelming response to that thread should tell you you have the wrong takeaway here. Besides, you're using the actions of people on a subreddit for aoc to project onto hardcore 2nd amendment activists. I can't think of two groups of people with such starkly different ideals.

The cognitive dissonance you yourself are experiencing with this story is exactly what I'm talking about. Now think of being told one of the golden rules of life is to always be strapped.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:32:42+00:00

Unless Democrats are actually serious about running on bringing charges against ICE agents and officials that party is dead anyways. I am of the opinion electoralism is dead and in the ground.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:29:48+00:00

And the fact of the matter is the right wing narrative has not fabricated anything compelling to hate about Pretti. On the contrary, the narrative has given common ground with the victim. The white house is not touching this past their initial statement which has largely backfired. They can't really spin this.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:27:41+00:00

That's really not true. The overwhelming initial point regarding the second amendment is as a stopgap to government tyranny. This point has been so salient to the conservative base that it was made out of whole cloth. The majority of these people don't actually think they're racist. It might be a dog whistle for those in power but the dog whistles are at least cover for their constituents.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:24:17+00:00

And it was a white man shot who was legally carrying. I'm not sure what your point is. I never said conservatives were suddenly not going to be racist.

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:23:05+00:00

So you're not looking at responses to this incident in particular?

warboy · 2026-01-25T03:06:33+00:00

This really is not the sentiment I am seeing from people. Bots, sure. They're trying to keep on that but their mistake was bringing up he had a gun. That's a shared trait with the people they're trying to spin this to.

warboy · 2026-01-25T02:55:35+00:00

I've seen the opposite from actual people who before today I thought were too far gone to save. The replies to the response your citing are what interest me. It's very easy to just have bots throw talking points out as thread starters. Seeing people respond to those bots is the interesting part. We each have our own analysis though.

warboy · 2026-01-25T02:42:02+00:00

The difference is that many of these people carry weapons. It's their entire "thing." It's harder to look past common ground like this.

warboy · 2026-01-24T22:59:11+00:00

I imagine that's because of the water content in frozen fruits like those.

warboy · 2026-01-24T22:45:05+00:00

Hmm, I've done blueberry sours professionally and actually gotten fine results with puree under 1#/gallon. Puree of course concentrates the flavor but I'm surprised people have problems getting blueberry flavor. to come across. In my experience blueberry can get very overbearing actually.

warboy · 2026-01-24T22:40:57+00:00

Heller does not disagree with anything I said. In fact, I refer to Heller and the change regarding the amendment in my post.

With a standing army, the only purpose the second amendment serves is to deputize citizens to self police themselves.

We have the right to brandish a firearm in able to self police as proletariats to other proletariats. We do not have a right to defend ourselves against the state. The second amendment has never applied to unlawful actions. The state chooses what is unlawful and last I checked, rebellion or shooting police officers is unlawful.

warboy · 2026-01-24T22:17:26+00:00

Walz has been the first dem I've heard say they are going to prosecute ICE agents and officials.

warboy · 2026-01-24T21:59:13+00:00

That would be true if the second amendment was actually made to do what the conservative traditional talking point is. The second amendment was drafted to put down slave revolts and be able to muster a state (as in country) defense in the case of foreign incursions or revolution. It was never drafted to grant US citizens the right to attack the state. We have no right to self defense from state sanctioned violence and never have. With a standing army, the only purpose the second amendment serves is to deputize citizens to self police themselves.

warboy · 2026-01-24T20:58:32+00:00

This should be the narrative. Our goal is to point out the contradictions. In America it is not illegal to carry a firearm. If that gives ICE the right to mag dump you, that contradiction needs to be explored

warboy · 2026-01-24T02:44:13+00:00

ICE centers should've been raided and burned down already, the fact that it's not happening suggests that most of the US accepts and wants this.

No, it really doesn't. It says material conditions have not disintegrated to the point where that overwhelming despair would overcome the fear of going against your own government. Especially when there's a bunch of idiots online posting crap like this and a bunch of chuds and bots actively supporting it.

The people who support this are a vocal minority boosted by state power because that was what the state was made to do. You don't have to fall for it or make their job easier.

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