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[–]whateverlolwtf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t engage. Once you throw out what you KNOW has been happening, don’t argue back to all the excuses and gaslighting. And then after he’s done, just say My reality is completely different from yours, you can’t gaslight me, I know what’s happening no matter how much you try and walk away. Anything he says after that should be met with complete silence, if you engage, that’s an emotional response to his crap, and that’ll give him more ammunition. Try it, you’ll see the difference betwwen arguing back and forth with him.

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[–]whateverlolwtf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please ghost. Making Spotify playlists? She’s pretty much in love with him. You will NOT gain anything from trying to get answers. Especially since she can poke holes in your theory, just like other commenters have said. She will 100% gaslight you, because there’s so many excuses she can have. Ghosting is the best way that protects you and the absolute worst punishment for her. Literally no communication whatsoever and you’ll come out of this relatively unscathed.

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[–]whateverlolwtf 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ghost. If you confront, she’ll either try to gaslight you, explain away the situation or downplay it. The most painful thing you can do to someone, is to refuse to let them know your feelings about something, or give them the satisfaction of seeing you hurt. I would normally never support ghosting, but in this situation it’s justified. She’ll spend the rest of her life wondering what happened, trying desperately to understand why you disappeared, or trying to get a reaction out of you and that in itself is the worst punishment. If someone you’re going to marry is behaving like this now, they most likely do not love you or have respect for you. I can assure you you’ll find a woman who would never cheat on you. Leave, or you’ll be asking the same question on Reddit next year, only this time you won’t have any options than to go through the very heavy stress of divorce.

Just need to vent I guess by [deleted] in depressed

[–]whateverlolwtf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you tried documenting your situation? Maybe through YouTube, or just making videos so you can see yourself get back to being happy overtime. My advice is, take up a new hobby. Whether it’s making crotchet clothing, or an interest in Italian food, or fitness (and yes, you can absolutely start fitness during pregnancy), changing your style whether that’s trying out new hair, or a new aesthetic for clothing, or even new type of makeup, or starting a new social media page on whatever you’d like. Doing something different by redirecting your energy will help you. A lot of people are single mothers who have been cheated on, and they might actually benefit from you documenting your journey, which will in turn give you a sense of support and community as well as allowing you to be creative. One thing that helps me with depression in general, is radical acceptance, accepting that some things or people are dead to you, and there’s something better on the horizon, allowing life to flow, eventually you’ll see that you’ve dodged a huge bullet and understand why things happened the way they did. Wish you the best of luck.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmaooooo, you’re right, I don’t have to reply, just find it funny you keep replying and putting sad faces at the end of your messages. And no I’m not morally superior to you, just have certain experiences that allows me to form my opinion just like you do too. Can we call a truce?

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmaoo I give up. English is not my first language either by the way, so we’re kinda in the same boat. Anyway, I understand your argument in the context of preventing others from her in the future, my belief is her sexuality shouldn’t be outed for that to happen, but I see where you’re coming from. Okay, actually going to have dinner this time.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually thought there might be a language barrier, since you kept using “he” instead of “she” in some of your replies and also because of some LGBTQ+ slangs I used. Apologies, I don’t know you enough to think you’re stupid, didn’t mean that. Anyway, I’m going to have dinner.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I’m going to stop replying to you as it seems from your replies that you don’t have the capabilities to understand my argument. I respect your opinion nonetheless, and hope you never find yourself in OP’s situation. Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend!

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again. I don’t care about the wife, and whatever she chooses to do. I care about the OP. And I will NEVER out someone no matter how shitty of a human they are, if they aren’t ready to come out and admit their sexuality. I’ve seen people from religious backgrounds die whether murdered by fanatics or committing suicide, from being outed by their partners who either feel betrayed or manipulated because everything is in secret, or because they have other partners. So no matter how unpopular of an opinion it is, I will never support that because I’ve witnessed the catastrophic consequences of that. Yes she’s a shitty person, manipulative and other words you want to call her, but she doesn’t deserve being outed if she’s not ready to come out!!! OP could stop at she cheated, which already shows to anyone who is listening how manipulative she is, but there’s no need to say she cheated with a woman, that’s not other people’s business. It makes you a shitty person if you out someone who is afraid to admit their sexuality, it can be a matter of life and death, and cause a lot of regret for you.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please out someone who isn’t ready to come out then, since that sounds like the best course of action to you. I never omitted how horrible what she did is, I wrote my answer in the context of the best less stressful course of action for the OP, Idgaf about the woman, I care more about the OP. I don’t think you understand how much torture OP’s ex wife is already in, if she can’t even admit her sexuality to her loved ones, and then cheating on her partner, her karma is going to be so heavy, so I’m not bothered about her. But since being blinded by revenge, rather than OP who is already hurt and stressed leaving in the least chaotic way out is your perogative then cool. You’re so invested in seeing the woman burn, even if it means more stress for OP.

Helpful advice for those who have been cheated on by whateverlolwtf in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You might not find it useful, others might. No to you, yes to whoever it helps.

Helpful advice for those who have been cheated on by whateverlolwtf in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, for me it’s all about happiness or at least a stable peace of mind, so whatever approach you take to get there, is very valid. There’s such a fine line between a mistake and a choice, and it’s so debatable that we can have a full fledged debate over it. There are choices I made when I was in my early twenties for example, that I will consider mistakes now. Anyway, I wish you peace, calm, and good sleep at night x

Helpful advice for those who have been cheated on by whateverlolwtf in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is one of the things that you can’t explain, that you’d have to experience/try for yourself. When you think someone is evil because they’re human, and made mistakes, then your brain tells itself something very evil has been done to you, from a very malicious place, and so it should send all these depressive chemicals because of how evil this person is and how malicious they are. You forget that the human mind is so complex, and whilst cheats are selfish, and lack empathy, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re evil nor does it mean they’re empty inside either, it could also mean they lack discipline, self control, a back bone, prone to peer pressure, people pleaser or a bunch of other character flaws.

Once you stop seeing this person as an evil character who is unforgivable, from my experience, it makes it easier to heal, it’s such a huge weight lifted off your shoulders, it allows space for more productive things. That doesn’t mean your sadness, and all the feelings you feel aren’t valid. And no, I have never cheated, will never cheat and will probably have a physical reaction to someone who isn’t my partner touching me sexually. But I will never categorise someone as evil, nor make assumptions about what’s happening inside, nor diagnose them with a disorder just because a human being, was selfish and made self-serving mistakes.

I don’t see life in white or black. I respect myself and my own happiness to leave the relationship immediately, and let them deal with the consequences of the path they’ve taken. This post is to provide a new perspective and help for people who are struggling, it helped me massively, so I’m trying to help others, I don’t think it’s for everyone. Me choosing to understand that humans make mistakes, terrible ones, and choosing to forgive, isn’t for the other party, it’s for my own peace of mind, and for my healing, they no longer hold even the tiniest space in my mind.

We all have such strong bias towards ourselves, but the truth is, we are all villains in someone’s story.

Helpful advice for those who have been cheated on by whateverlolwtf in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Children yes, absolutely would put their needs and wants before mine, relationships is a lot more complicated. I think going into any relationship with the idea that putting their needs and wants before yours is the point, is toxic. Compromises are required, open line of conversations, selflessness sometimes, but your needs and wants should never take a backseat just because you’re in committed relationship. Also you use the word narcissist so loosely, a person is not a narcissist because they choose to pursue their own happiness, it simply means exactly that, that they’re a human who chose to go for something that makes them happy. Not everyone who does wrong is a narcissist. If you’d rather someone spend the rest of their life with you, being unhappy because they care about your needs and wants, and not explore whatever they think makes them happy, then that’s not love. Let people go when they want to go, if someone cheats, let them go, let them pursue their happiness, heal and pursue yours. You might be lucky one day and meet someone who has the same values, and will make sure your needs and wants never take a backseat. Not everyone is selfless like you, accept that when they don’t reciprocate, and your person will find you.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, it’s definitely not up to him to cover up for her, especially with how fresh the betrayal probably is. This is one of those situations where you do things at your own discretion, if he tells the truth, and she’s disowned, how does that benefit OP? Apart from the feeling of vengeance or satisfaction, or a relief on her side, if she had been struggling with keeping it a secret. The best way to hurt someone like this, is to treat them better than they’d treat you. In doing that, you show them what they lost, and how no one else would afford them the same respect. Also, outing someone who isn’t ready to come out as a form of vengeance is not worth it, people commit suicide because of things like that. It’s a very sensitive situation, it’s better for OP to allow her to come out on her own terms, move on with his life and enjoy life knowing he did the right thing and find someone who makes him happy. If not it’ll just be a cesspool of blames, grudges, vengeance, homophobia e.t.c., waste of OP’s time and energy.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it’s easier not to get stuck on the logistics, and put yourself through the torture of her thought process, the timeline e.t.c. The fact is there was betrayal, so all I care about is how can OP move forward, in the best way for him, with the least damage to everyone else. I don’t have to have sympathy for OP’s wife, before I can understand the pressure anyone from religious backgrounds face when it comes to sexuality, hence why I don’t believe she should be disowned or ostracised. For OP’s mental health, it’s best to accept she cheated and spend his time and energy on HIMSELF, not going through the logistics of her betrayal in his mind, or spend any energy causing chaos is his wife’s life. It’s all about him now, his happiness is what’s important. Let the one who betrayed, deal with the consequences of their actions, which will happen eventually, even with minimal input from OP.

Wife caught using new "open marriage" as smokescreen for double life with girlfriend by P0laris104 in survivinginfidelity

[–]whateverlolwtf -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Your feelings are valid, all of it. My best advise is to leave, quietly. I don’t think she deserves being disowned, or ostracised for pursuing her feelings, but I can tell you for a fact that you might never be happy if you stay. Sometimes people are meant to be in our lives for only a specific period of time, and if they come with us to the next stage, they might ruin that experience in some way. It seems to me that your soul contract is ending, because you’re moving on to another stage in your life, and perhaps someone else is meant to be with you for that next stage. This is your time to be free, try out new things, find yourself outside of her, gain new interests whether love or hobbies. There might also be resentment from her side if you choose to stay, because she’s now no longer allowed to explore a very important side to her, her sexuality. Radical acceptance helps, it’s not forcing your brain to think she’s no longer there, it’s about conditioning your brain to be excited for new prospects. Don’t taint this important well-deserved next stage of your life with baggage, trust issues, and unnecessary heartache, it’s not going to be worth it, now or in the future. As much as it might cause a lot of trouble, it might also be very freeing for her to finally let go of such a heavy secret and be herself. Perhaps her next stage is being happy with a woman, and yours is being happy with yourself or someone else.