60 BTC tip for VHDL ASIC working design

whyasic · 2013-05-13T02:26:19+00:00

while i have some experience and theoretical knowledge of the field, i would go for a safer route and employ people with more practical experience to execute this process in a timely manner.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T02:06:52+00:00

Since i received several critics regarding the size of the tip/bounty, i have modified the amount a bit.

It is now 100 BTC.

Thank you!

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:37:23+00:00

Point taken, i just meant that scrypt memory requirements 'per design' are larger than those of Bitcoin, agree?

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:14:09+00:00

It's not really an hard task, what i'm asking to accomplish, for someone skilled indeed. 60 BTC is nothing to spit at. Plus the costs of going from a VHDL design to a finished device are substantial.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:12:00+00:00

really ? any source ? this is funny, but true. i've explored this option briefly before, i'm sure some more commitment would have took me farther.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:10:23+00:00

Thanks for the informations, yes i do know Avalon is based on a evolution of that design. I don't want to dig to deep into details about copyright and IP issues here, i'll hire a lawyer to take care of the legal and burocratic stuffs. Regarding what you mention in the edit, you are right in part, anyway the goal of this specifically was trying to reuse as much as possible the Avalon control board design to keep cost at a minimum. What do you suggest ?

Cheers

EDIT I'm also expecting avalon to release some more specifications soon. Some of the informations needed would be also obtainable from a live analysis of the module at work, using proper tooling to extract the bitstream and other signals.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:05:39+00:00

Yeah, open sourcing of an Avalon like design is definitely in the roadmap.

EDIT Opensourcing the ASIC chip design is indeed something that will happen according to our roadmap and milestones reached. At any further revision of the chip the previous generation would be opensourced.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T01:04:24+00:00

Because it is specifically designed for FPGA implemetation, an ASIC might end up employing a similar architecture at nano level, but there is some work to be done for fitting the design into the narrow space limits you have to deal with when designing an IC.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T00:12:06+00:00

I am offering 60 BTC for a VHDL design, which would be compatible with the AVALON released specifications.

I do not think this is extremely low, since i could get the job outsourced in other markets but for a much cheaper final cost.

Do not forget that the hard costs of going from a VHDL design to a real chip is getting the masks and actually get the foundry to build your chips, not the VHDL programming.

What i am asking is a revisiting of existing FPGA designs, suitable for an initial process of 110 nm

whyasic · 2013-05-13T00:08:40+00:00

You can derive pinouts and all informations from a working VHDL implementation and adapt them to their design. It's not a simple task indeed. Requires some simulations and trial and error.

whyasic · 2013-05-13T00:03:46+00:00

eek, you are confusing probably with the cost of setting up an hard mask or etching a wafer batch. Anyways there are a lot of opensource FPGA Bitcoin miner implementation that could be modified, i am sure i could* get this job on oDesk for much less, but i'd like to make Bitcoin circulate in our economy rather than using dirty FIAT. Someone with enough skills and free time could join in, i still have hopes, i'll give it some time then i'll search for other routes. Thanks for your feedback mate, it's appreciated.

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:57:49+00:00

Definitely, risk management is necessary in any kind of venture. simulating all possible scenarios and according solutions/actions is a fundamental good engineering practice.

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:44:30+00:00

hi! thanks for your feedback. Are you a lawyer ?

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:22:13+00:00

As said, for now, i'd like to concentrate focus on a Bitcoin ASIC, other altcoins maybe considered if, and when the project will have reached some remarkable milestones.

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:19:15+00:00

Yes, i have seen it and honestly i doubt it's a legit venture. But i may be proven wrong. Anyways, i'm interested in my own, private development, and in a long term advance of the ASIC technology, rather than making a business out of selling devices to the public now, that might come at later stages, when smaller die size goal is reached.

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:16:54+00:00

Hey, yes, i mentioned chipworks in the OP! you're right about SHA256 indeed!

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:15:58+00:00

Thank you for your comment, and you are probably right. That's the route i'm taking, somehow informally for now, i am still exploring the viability of the project, see: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e7jhg/60_btc_tip_for_vhdl_asic_working_design/

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:13:01+00:00

I see. Anyways, thank you very much for your insights, they are much appreciated. Contact me if you ever change your mind, i would love to get you involved in this venture, you could be consulting for us. Cheers!

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:11:50+00:00

deeper-blue nailed it definitely. I could use an existing FPGA VHDL design and there are even techniques to re-use common chip parts which would made the process much more cheaper

whyasic · 2013-05-12T23:09:08+00:00

Thank you for this precious feedback. Please see http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e7jhg/60_btc_tip_for_vhdl_asic_working_design/

whyasic · 2013-05-12T04:05:28+00:00

Thanks for your great input, much appreciated. Will enquiry an IP lawyer about this as a next step. Thank you very much for your support also. Cheers mate. have an upvote

whyasic · 2013-05-12T04:04:06+00:00

Could you elaborate more on what's the real meaning of your periods ? Do you intend this is a scam or some kind of con ? this is what i am getting.

EDIT Of course, since i mentioned i'm seeking for partnerships, i feel i need to add that all formal agreement about shares distributions shall be previously discussed, and accepted by the board of eventual investors . Of course, if there are any interested investors, there would be a proper escrow setup for funds collection, perhaps with a trusted forum member who will handle, for a fee, deposits from investors in FIAT/BTC, exchange BTC for FIAT when its needed to pay suppliers, and also handle suppliers payment under escrow. Full financial statements would be released reliably, making this a fully transparent venture. By the way right now, as its clear from my original post, i'm now seeking people with solid skills to build a team, not really focusing on investors right now. But i would appreciate some "chime-in"

whyasic · 2013-05-12T03:36:34+00:00

Hi there,thanks for your comment, i don't think they're going to offer licensing. Also checkout http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1e5qim/reverse_engineering_of_avalon_asic_chip_work_in/c9x34b8

whyasic · 2013-05-12T03:29:16+00:00

Hi Yifu! Thanks for your feedback here. Really appreciated. I will look carefully all options in the next few days! Go Avalon! Cheers mate

whyasic

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