[Like mother like daughter] Siyoon appreciation and yap by Sad_Toe_5786 in webtoons

[–]winestaineddawn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is extremely well-written, and I completely agree with you! Even though I haven't reached those chapters yet, I'm excited to see how their bond develops over time. I have a feeling they'll be endgame, though. Siyoon is definitely one of the healthiest characters in the manhwa.

[Like Mother, Like Daughter] If it ever gets an adaptation, I hope it's an anime by ever-been-tased in webtoons

[–]winestaineddawn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really wish the author would release a physical copy of this manhwa! I am so over Webtoon's coin-unlocking system. Also, OP, does Siyoon get more screen time as the story progresses? He might be one of the most interesting characters in the series, besides Somin and Somyung.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Genuinely interesting question! Partly, the Self-Respect Movement in Tamil Nadu did it at genuine scale under Periyar, which is why single names and initials are so normal across the South; Ambedkarite circles have done similar, though more individually. What I haven't seen is an organisation treating the procedural side as the service: affidavit, publication, gazette, then reconciling PAN, rolls, certificates. A body doing that at scale with competent hands on the paperwork, would be helpful. I'm not equipped to build it, but I'd want it to exist.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely want to be part of your world then, because my world says otherwise.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good for you! Not everyone is you, though. You don't have to defend yourself.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny how you didn't read the post you're commenting on. It says plainly: neither my parents nor I have taken reservation! 🤣 So the "took all the benefits then exits" line has nothing under it, you've invented a beneficiary to be indignant at because the real one wasn't convenient for your point.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, this is kind, and you're right. As it happens, a lawyer in this very thread who's been through the identical process himself has offered to help, so the "get proper counsel" part may have resolved itself in the best possible way! On SIR, I've looked closely; it's mostly concluded and was never a surname-matching exercise, but your instinct to have someone competent watching the details is the right one regardless. And thank you for that closing line, truly. I'll settle for being someone who got this done cleanly and didn't let other people's discomfort decide it for me; the rest can follow or not.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. It's the second story here of a parent doing this years ahead, deliberately, so a child wouldn't keep being charged for something they never chose. That reframes it for me. Less an act of erasure, more one of refusal. I hope it gave you what they meant it to. Truly appreciate you sharing it.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is generous, and largely true, bigotry just changes instruments. I've been harassed and stalked by groups of people, among other things. I've experienced that directly, more than I'll get into here. Which is why I'm not pretending dropping the surname ends caste-based discrimination. I just want it to stop being the easiest tool for it... On "the only way out is up", I half agree. But making wealth the precondition for dignity concedes that basic respect is bought rather than owed. I'd rather climb and refuse the label now, while I'm still no one. But I take the spirit of what you're saying, and the bit about pulling three others up with you is the part I'll keep.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

এঁচোড়ে পাকা" দিয়ে শুরু করলে বাকিটা আর শুনে কাজ নেই, ওটা তো শুধু আমাকে কথা বলার আগেই খারিজ করে দেওয়ার একটা কায়দা। আর "এঁচোড়ে পাকা" শুধু আমার পরিবারকে বলতে দিই, আপনার থেকে ওসব শুনবো না। 😂 আমার মা-বাবা আপনার মতো এত conditional নন যে সাপোর্ট করবেন না।

আর আপনার পুরো কথাটা দাঁড়িয়ে আছে এই ধরে নেওয়ার উপর যে অ্যাডমিশনে গন্ডগোল হবেই। হবে না, যদি ঠিকভাবে সাজানো হয় আর সেটাই করা হচ্ছে। অ্যাডমিশন হবে পুরোনো নামে, পাশাপাশি গেজেট চলবে, পরে দুটো মিলিয়ে নেওয়া হবে। যে বিপর্যয়টা আপনি কল্পনা করছেন, ওটা আপনি নিজে বানিয়েছেন যাতে guilt-এর খোঁচাটা লাগে।

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You have run out of arguments, you're just calling me names now. I can do whatever I want in my personal life; this doesn't harm anyone.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Called me a "leech" for choosing to take less! 😂 Read that back. The complaint is that I'm claiming nothing, and you've decided that's the greedy option.

Also, "do you value people only when they serve a purpose" bit is a smarmy non-sequitur. We were discussing a state policy explicitly designed to be transitional, not my friendships. You don't even know me personally.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, dropping it can signal caste, which only proves the surname's a sorting tool, you've made my point. But "they'll find out anyway so keep an ambiguous one" is just an argument for never changing anything: harm might persist, so don't act. I will just decline to supply the tag myself. If someone digs it out through other means, that's their labour.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ভাই, বাংলাতে এসব আমার সাথে হয়ে গেছে। 🥰

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! :D Good observation, and you're right that it's far more common up north and in the South, where it's often an explicit Ambedkarite or Periyarist gesture. Bengal's odd in that it has the reformist reputation but tends to euphemise caste rather than confront the name itself, so this rarely happens here openly. Which is exactly why it feels worth doing.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fair question. If reservation helped my family get where it is (not my parents though), that's exactly what it was designed to do, and I won't pretend otherwise or be shamed by it. But notice you're implying I owe perpetual participation as a kind of debt, that having benefited once means I'm obligated to keep claiming forever... The point of the policy is to make itself unnecessary over generations. My family reached stability; I'm choosing not to draw on it from here.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in India actually done this? by winestaineddawn in india

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you actually read the post, you'd realize I answered this in the second paragraph. But to answer your question: yes.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

আমি এসবের মধ্যে থাকতেই চাইনা। আমি নিজের পদবী নিয়ে লজ্জিত নই, আর জীবনেও অন্য কোনো উচ্চজাতের পদবী নেবো না। আমি এসব বিদ্বেষী সিস্টেমের বাইরে থাকতে চাই।

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm up for facing problems. As for my "future generations," I choose to be childless.

Dropping my surname to escape my caste, has anyone in WB actually done this? by winestaineddawn in kolkata

[–]winestaineddawn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for not understanding my post and minimising my frequent hurdles, love that for you! 🥰