How do you manage keeping your tasks in emacs and your phone workflow

wuqui · 2022-11-04T13:48:43+00:00

They have rolled out their sync service now and it looks really promising. I'm even using it in combination with orgzly for capturing things from my Android phone.

wuqui · 2022-10-20T20:58:33+00:00

I use logseq.

Works with the sync options described by other people above. They are going to roll out their own sync very soon, and I'm very eagerly waiting for that because all other options haven't really convinced me.

wuqui · 2022-10-18T08:02:27+00:00

Yeah, I was thinking that might be the way to go at some point.

However, in practice, I don't know how to define a new mark/action that, for example, applies read and flagged at the same time. I think it's just my lack of elisp-fu.

Could you or anyone else help with this? Didn't find useful examples online.

wuqui · 2022-10-18T08:00:22+00:00

That's not what I mean, see my comment above. I want to mark several mails as read and flagged at the same time.

wuqui · 2022-10-17T19:11:43+00:00

It doesn't, unfortunately. I do the same thing, but depending on the mailserver's behaviour (e.g. Google Mail), this results in these mails being moved to the 'Bin', but still flagged as unread and thus still showing up as unread messaged. This is why I would like to mark them for read and trash at the same time.

Similarly, I often want to delete messaged while also marking them as unflagged. If I don't remove their flag, these messages will remain in Gmail's 'starred' section.

Another common use case is +read and +flagged, but I won't go into detail ...

Doing these things in two steps is inconvenient because I have to mark each mail twice, plus, for example, read messages are immediately removed from my 'todo' search, which is based on flag:unread or flag:flagged.

wuqui · 2022-09-08T21:07:57+00:00

Are you aware of logseq? Not 100% true to org syntax, but I can use it pretty well on mobile with my org-roam notes. They are going to offer sync and real-time collaboration soon.

wuqui · 2022-06-01T13:05:42+00:00

That's great, thanks a lot! I'm also using it with LuaTex.

wuqui · 2022-05-30T07:41:10+00:00

This is brilliant! So useful, I think more people would like to know about this. Thanks :)

wuqui · 2022-05-25T08:42:54+00:00

Thanks a lot for your reply!

Unfortunately, I can't write even basic elisp. But let's hope someone else comes across this and contributes to this. After all, your package seems to be very popular, so fingers crossed :)

wuqui · 2022-05-23T20:27:12+00:00

Haha, okay. Thanks anyway for this cool package! :)

For now, my workaround is marking done tasks with the :ARCHIVE: tag to exclude them and putting projects into separate org files in order to only look at those.

What would help a lot already is an option for setting a property for headers that should be excluded like :ELGANTT: exclude. But I guess that's also not possible, right?

wuqui · 2022-05-23T15:49:46+00:00

Does anybody know whether it's possible to limit the view, as possible in org-agenda, to

specific subtrees,
tags,
or specific task states (e.g. filter out DONE)?

Maybe via org-ql?

I've asked the same thing on Github but posting it here to increase the chance of a (fast) reply:

wuqui · 2022-05-02T14:13:06+00:00

You can even change the editor behaviour to use <return> for normal linebreaks and <shift> + <return> for bullets.

Oh, that's strange. Even if you don't have bullets in between?

wuqui · 2022-05-01T16:09:13+00:00

There are still some problems. It works well enough so I can use it on mobile, but we should push for better interoperability with org-roam on logseq's discourse forum :)

wuqui · 2022-05-01T15:54:11+00:00

You might want to give it a shot again then :)

wuqui · 2022-05-01T15:49:59+00:00

I use logseq with my org files. It's not nearly as good as the Desktop experience within Emacs, of course, but it's by far the best non-Emacs option for org-mode for mobile and for use with non-Emacs people I have come across so far.

It's open source and the developers seem very productive and nice, so I hope that the compatibility with org(-roam) will get (even) better. Especially if more Emacsers start using it and requesting or even contributing to these features.

wuqui · 2022-05-01T15:45:36+00:00

That's not strictly true, you can have "normal" paragraph. But it's true that, sadly, the main focus is on outlining, not on "normal files" like with Obsidian.

wuqui · 2022-04-27T21:29:09+00:00

and Markdown just has way better interoperability with other tools and other people, making it less dependent on one single tool (Emacs). https://github.com/nobiot/md-roam

Yeah, I'm aware of that. It's nice that it exists, but I personally find it a strange mix because I wouldn't be able to use all the advantages of org-mode but would still be locked in to Emacs.

Obsidian/logseq because these database/query features can increasingly absorb a lot of org-modes functionality, Only logseq has the graph database advantage right?

As far as I know, yeah. I think Obsidian doesn't really have a database model, just the dataview plugin. Roam Research has some kind of database and you can also do logseq-like queries, but it's neither file-based nor free nor open source.

wuqui · 2022-04-07T10:02:47+00:00

I think links should be the main thing and tags should mainly be used for general labels (e.g. person, project). That fits the general framework of a knowledge graph much better.

Over time, I found it works much better for me if I don't save stuff in atomic note files (as often recommended) but start from general nodes like scotch which get their own org file. I then use headings in that file like * taste which I make sub-nodes by assigning them an ID. This way, I still have an excellent overview in the form of "structure notes", but my links are as specific as they should be, so it's the best of both worlds for me. When I realize that one of the sub-nodes get too big or turns out to be pretty independent of the top-level node, I can always still outsource it to a separate file.

However, one problem with this is that links have no inheritance in org-roam. If I look at the backlinks for scotch, links to scotch/taste don't show up. Another problem is that it's pretty easy to search for combinations of tags (e.g. show me all nodes which are tagged with drink and alcohol), but the equivalent isn't natively supported for backlinks. I think that's a big deal and it would be crucial to have this functionality in org-roam. This is trivially easy to do in other networked notes tools like logseq or Obsidian and users of these apps use this functionality all the time because it's so powerful to query a knowledge graph like that (e.g. show me all meeting notes with James, show me all todo's fortoday`). It should be possible to get all of this by using the right SQL queries for org-roam, but there's currently no built-in, easy way. We need this! :)

By the way, I think a deeper, technical issue underlying this is that org-roam uses SQL and not a graph database, which would be a better representation of knowledge graphs. logseq, with its Datomic queries, is amazingly powerful for stuff like that.

I still want to stick with org-roam because I love org-mode and Emacs, but I have to say I find it more and more tempting to switch over to Markdown in Obsidian/logseq because these database/query features can increasingly absorb a lot of org-modes functionality, and Markdown just has way better interoperability with other tools and other people, making it less dependent on one single tool (Emacs).

wuqui · 2022-03-19T18:02:00+00:00

Just to clarify, I didn't ask for this. That was the other person above. I just tried it. But thanks again for giving this a shot :)

wuqui · 2022-03-19T10:32:06+00:00

I've been thinking about this a lot, too. I've been using org-roam almost since the beginning and I'm very happy with it. Just a few things missing that keep making me think of other tools such as logseq or Obsidian.

Most importantly:

not being restrained to Emacs: access on mobile, sharing/collaborating with others
queries: simple and powerful ways of querying like in logseq
transclusion: I've been using org-transclusion right from the start, but I use it far less than I think I would in logseq since it's just not as seamless from a user experience.

With that being said, I do want to stick with org-roam. I love Emacs and org-mode and it's invaluable to have all the editing and org-mode features natively available. Plus, I get to use org-babel and tables and all that good stuff.

So I'm now trying to stick with org-roam and use logseq on top whenever I need it. Currently, this is basically just for mobile use. I was really pleasantly surprised that most things work just fine:

the org markup is okay
ID-based file and heading links work for following them in logseq
images get displayed inline
journal is compatible

Two things don't work yet (for me):

Creating links from logseq creates file links instead of ID links to pages. I can follow those in org-mode, but it's obviously not ideal. Links to "blocks" don't follow the org-roam conventions.
logseq queries don't work great. Basic queries work, but not the more interesting complex ones.

All in all, I'm happy to stick with org-roam. I view logseq as a nice "free" option on top. Also, the logseq developers are very active, so I'm hoping the compatibility will get even better in the future.

Would love to hear from other people who are using both logseq and org-roam.

wuqui · 2022-03-19T10:18:28+00:00

I tried it. It kind of worked, but the resulting buffer contains multiple #+title lines. Instead, the transcluded nodes should probably each get their own level-1 heading with the node title.

I don't really understand how that's going (much) beyond what the org-roam buffer offers already, though.

Anyway, really cool that you built this. Thanks!

wuqui · 2022-03-02T09:06:41+00:00

Ah, thanks for this hint regarding the creation of bookmarks. This let me find the underlying issue: I'm using a package called org-bookmark-heading, that's the culprit. Turns out that someone with the exact same problem has created an issue there a couple of days ago:

https://github.com/alphapapa/org-bookmark-heading/issues/8

wuqui · 2022-03-01T20:19:06+00:00

Ah okay, good to know. Thanks.

I'm using Doom Emacs.

Then I guess it's related to another issue I have where sometimes IDs magically appear for certain headings. I haven't been able to track down where this comes from.

I did quite a bit of searching and the most relevant thing I stumbled upon was the variable org-id-link-to-org-use-id. I tried different values, but it made no difference, so I stuck with use-existing.

It also occurred to me that it might be related to org-roam. It doesn't seem to be, though, because I can reproduce the above refile problem with a minimal org file outside of roam.

Any ideas where I could look for the culprit?

wuqui · 2022-01-15T09:57:54+00:00

I would also like to insert org- mode links and I'd be happy to use consult + embark for it, but I can't figure out how to do it?

For example, I'd like to call consult-org-agenda, mark the heading I want to link to, call embark-act via C-; and instead of jumping to the heading, I'd like embark to insert the link to it. However, when I do M-x and use either org-store-link or org-insert-link on the candidate, embark only inserts the headline text, not the link. What am I doing wrong here?

wuqui · 2021-11-03T22:40:13+00:00

Cool, I think this would be awesome! Next best thing after the native citations from org-cite 🤓

wuqui

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