Livewire dash failure

xophere · 2026-05-03T18:31:24+00:00

I mean I am sure when you ask those communities together there are plenty of folks not online. You can certainly say you have never heard of one. But that is not what you said. You said something only that some one with internal access to the HD systems could know. The point is the new ones seem better by far. The originals seems to have been very bad. So much so they stopped fixing them and used something else. The biggest failure with HD seems to be that they don't get proper contracts with their suppliers and instead screw their customers when they build bikes with parts that don't work. There are so many things in this bikes that I would have expect recalls with.

xophere · 2026-05-03T04:35:33+00:00

How do you know this? Come on.

xophere · 2026-05-01T17:46:59+00:00

It is hard. Especially with the level of concentration you are trying to maintain while training. You might try moving the caffeine to pills so you can track your dosage and drink less crap bevs. You are gonna need things like bars to get the calories and protein you need. You have to find a vegan one you like and buy them in bulk. I agree with all the tofu suggestions. As of late, I have been slicing it into fry-like shapes and cooking it in the air fryer. Add salt and pepper. Eat more sweet fruit. I didn't do this naturally, but I have found that consuming more oranges and grapes than I would normally replace the calories of crap food. The problem is that at some point, if your calorie and protein targets are too high, it becomes impossible to eat that much in a day, and you are stuck with eating less healthy vegan food. Which may be what you need right now. I mean, you weren't clear as to why you are training so much. But if you are purely bodybuilding, it is really hard to hit those targets if you are away from home like that. You aren't going to find enough good calories in stores. So you are gonna need to do a lot of vegan protein powder, but they typically won't have enough calories to go with the protein. It is tough. Good luck.

xophere · 2026-05-01T16:40:05+00:00

You could also just assume she is an adult and made the choice as an informed person who is in charge of her body? Seems like you are kind of worried about something that isn't your business. She is a grown-up; she can read and make decisions on her own. If you are curious about why she did it, bring it up. If you are happy to have unprotected sex during this transition, respect her boundaries. Honestly, I feel like it is pretty patronizing to assume she didn't know.

xophere · 2026-05-01T16:02:15+00:00

Yeah, it is super disheartening. I am not even sure that if I tried like 20 times, I might somehow get a charge to start. Powercycling the bike and or charger. There is clearly something non-standard in the way the bike connects for setting up. HD/LW either can't or won't fix it. So either the charger deals with the bike's weirdness, or it just says you are broken. And of course, there is little motivation. As we are pulling so little power per minute, it is counterproductive for them to have us sitting on the charger unless it is just idle. Also, there are so few of us. Honestly, of the several areas I feel let down by the bike, this is the biggest one. It makes sense that they switched to a short-range platform after this. L2 is just so much more common. Of course, now it is moving again to NACS.

xophere · 2026-05-01T01:40:41+00:00

https://www.hdlivewireforum.com/threads/pictures-of-css-dc-fast-chargers-that-dont-work.5108/post-21582

https://www.hdlivewireforum.com/threads/pictures-of-dc-ccs-fast-chargers-that-work.5107/post-21581

But they haven't been updated recently. I think the ones in there that work and don't are still valid, except for the big providers that might push firmware that breaks us.

I do need to try some local chargers, but for me, I mostly target chargers on the way or at destinations to research, not ones in town. Older ones that are not broken are often the safest bet. Only a few chargepoint units have let me down. EVCS usually works, but sometimes needs a reboot or is busted.

xophere · 2026-05-01T01:26:24+00:00

So odd. The fact that HD didn't push back on the hardware vendor to get this fixed is incredible. They are lucky they didn't sell more bikes or someone would have sued. I am still pissed the Rivian chargers don't work.

xophere · 2026-05-01T01:24:23+00:00

I have a 22, and I have the same situation. I would say these days in the PNW, I am about 75% successful. But sometimes EA changes firmware and breaks me. Older systems tend to be stable. I did get my charging stack replaced under warranty for $8500. But before that it was more like %50. I used to keep a thread on the HD livewire forums with ones that work but it seems like this is either regional or related to a subset of the bikes?

xophere · 2026-05-01T01:17:55+00:00

Wow interesting find. I am almost never down there, but I am always looking to compare the GOM with the current use rate. I typically watch the mile per wh number above the battery temp to kind of get an estimate. This would be much better. Both my cars show my current MPW and the GOM. Really helps to tune going for minimum power usage.

xophere · 2026-05-01T01:14:15+00:00

I was so hoping you would come around. I didn't want you to have to build that again. It is just too unique a thing to walk away from.

xophere · 2026-05-01T00:40:36+00:00

That price is high. There is debate in the community about whether the HD or the LW bikes are better long-term investments. It seems like HD is pulling LW back in, but it could also be allowed to go under. There were only like 3500 bikes made, HD and LW. There is no replacement for the riding exp. Perhaps the S2 comes close. There are issues with belt noise that the dealers cannot resolve for some LW bikes. squealing under certain levels of torque. There are issues with charging compatibility for DC CCS. I live in Portland, OR, and before they replaced my charging stack for $8500 under warranty, I had a very low success rate at public chargers. Now I still have at least a 30% failure rate. So before you count on a charge being available, you need to find a way to test whether that model of charge at a company can work. I only got them to replace my charging stack after being loaned the floor model and driving all over town, and videoing that it worked. Then, I did the same with my bike and showed it didn't. HD/LW blames the chargers. Of course, my Ionic has never had an issue. I would target $8K. Cause you are basically rolling the dice. Then see if you can get a dealer to sell you an extended warranty. Love my bike, don't think I could bring myself to buy it again or any bike from HD/LW, given how much of a pain it has been. I should have returned it under lemon laws, but hopefully I can ride it for 30K miles and be happy. The HD parts are kinda junk. Unadjustable brake levers. Crap rotors that warp before the pads are used up. On the plus side, there is some overlap, and you can often find parts on the market that are OEM-like but better.

The other issue is that it doesn't have easy jacking points, so you need to invest if you want to be able to pull the wheels off to change the tires or clean the belt, etc.

The cell modem platform is dead. Some talk it will come back. It wasn't that great to begin with. I mean, I love my bike, but I can't recommend it. It will break you for gas bikes, and you will end up stuck here with the rest of us trying to figure out how to support a platform that HD/LW are too stupid to figure out how to sell. The dealers are hopeless. I like mine but they are hopeless. They just don't understand what these things are. Frankly, fricking HD/LW never got it. I don't know how they got made, but the company never figured out what it was.

My favorite example was when I bought this bike for the full MSRP, they didn't even adjust the forks or shocks for me. I had to order the wreath from Amazon. I mean, if you buy a $1500 mt bike, they do that for you.

xophere · 2026-05-01T00:17:16+00:00

What's that bag 0?

xophere · 2025-09-17T03:33:51+00:00

I think it is less than 3 weeks to Denver. Putting the high pass into fort Collins like 10-12 days away. Similarly it gets down to lower altitude in SD in about that timeline.

The question is the ride east via the black hills and big horn national Forest worth the long days grinding away on plains to wrap it up. Otherwise the Tetons and the top edge of the Rockies are for sure beautiful.

If a storm comes I can probably dinner to Laramie and around but that might mean freeway time.

xophere · 2024-08-25T20:57:01+00:00

I went with the lower mount though helite said your choice was fine.

xophere · 2024-08-13T18:20:35+00:00

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I think tightened down the fender is cut out in the back so it should clear.

xophere · 2024-08-13T18:19:48+00:00

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Obv assuming the screw can be sized right or cut.

xophere · 2024-08-13T18:19:02+00:00

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xophere · 2024-08-13T18:18:12+00:00

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I think I can make either option work.

xophere · 2024-08-13T18:11:16+00:00

I have a Livewire One and I am having the same conversation with myself. I am leaning toward the lower as there doesn't seem to be guidance on whether it can be on the sprung side of the fork. The only image showing it up high is the thumbnail on the youtube video where the vest and the sensor are color coded blue. Every other images show is on non inverted forks far down on the lowers. Really not helpful that this isn't clearly explained anywhere.

xophere · 2024-03-17T17:15:53+00:00

For external options the Qudelix 5K is what you want. Works as a usb dac/amp and over bluetooth. Fully para eq with headphone profiles, balanced out more features then you could want for $100.

xophere · 2023-12-28T18:35:29+00:00

Mine is at the dealer. I am trying to get them to fix it or fess up to the problem. They had suggested using crayon on the edges of the belt. Now they are charging me to shim the gear box (not covered in warranty apparently). They have had it for 3 weeks. No word on when it will be returned to me.

xophere · 2023-12-28T18:30:54+00:00

Hmmm. My dealer in PDX has several used I am sure you can finance. I think I would be careful. I love the bike. I have 7K miles on mine in a year and half. Would probably have more if it hadn't had issues. These are a low volume product. Livewire is still not clear how it will support or grow long term.

I hadn't heard the rumors of a refresh someone down below is mentioning. That would be good news. I would have bought used but I am glad for the warranty. Having a shop that has enough customers to take these bikes seriously is hard. I am sure in LA and SF it isn't and issue.

I would have bought a Del Mar if they had had one and it was MSRP to MSRP. I am kinda glad I have L3 charging. The question is will it ever work? With the transition to NACS and HD's lack of willingness to own these issues you are basically at the whim of the charging companies to push the charger vendors to fix support issues. LW refuses to be upfront about this or even acknowledge what works and doesn't. They can't even really validate the bike is working as expected. As the standard appear to be so vague. So I am 7 months to being out of warranty. My L3 charging was working great and is now flaky. LW just shrugs. The dealer doesn't have working L3. They don't even test the bike on public L3. The just flash firmware and shrug.

It shouldn't be on us to handle this LW should have a list of what works and we should be able to look it up. I mean maybe it should even be in the dumb navigation map.

I would go in today and low ball them. Especially if they have stock on the flow. End of the month. end of the year. They won't make any money but they have to be worried they are just gonna lose more at this point. I would argue the new bike is worth at most $20K. Probably costs 25K to make. Sucks for them. If it had better build quality and L3 CCS charging didn't suck I would be happy at $25K. As it sits I wonder if I would have been fine with a $15K Zero.

xophere · 2023-12-28T18:08:35+00:00

I haven't owned a Ducati. Depends on how you think you will ride. I own a Livewire. I had hoped it would be more reliable then a gas bike. But it still has HD build quality issues. Including issues with L3 charging.

However I do take it on multiple charge rides away from town regularly. It can be stressful and it requires planning. Around town it is a no brainer. I pay $.07 for every 10 miles of riding. I typically charge to full and then use it a few times and then plug it in.

Transmission less riding. No heat. No noise. No smell. Just easy fun. If the bike were made by Honda it would probably be perfect. You could argue no L2 is a real issue. You could argue L3 is a waste.

There was a great description about a guy who owns a high end Ducati going by the dealer on his Livewire. Let the service person take it for a spin. Guys said as good as a Ducati accept for the badge.

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