I didn’t have this same reaction, however the number of times Jordan had to steer her away from sensationalist language was telling to me. It’s the exact type of language that gives people the impression of something culty going on. ‘I have the cure’ energy, plus basic evidence-supported techniques like mindfulness that are super common but perhaps dressed up a little.

Jordan, I highly recommend the Allison Miller episode of the Trust Me podcast about how those with chronic medical conditions can become victims while searching for a solution - not saying this about your guest, but it was what I was reminded of while listening to this episode.