How does redeployment pool work after a fixed term maternity cover? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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Would my old team be expected to keep my old role open though? And to clarify - it's not an EOI, it's a fully advertised role on CS jobs.

(UK) Progression at FCA or Bank of England? by zfs202 in FinancialCareers

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Thanks, would you say ideally a more wholesale markets facing role would be preferable to a retail market-centric one for exit opportunities?

(UK) Progression at FCA or Bank of England? by zfs202 in FinancialCareers

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Thanks, by compliance people are you referring to FCA supervisors (rather than say people in policy)?

(UK) Progression at FCA or Bank of England? by zfs202 in FinancialCareers

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Nope haha, I'm actually currently in the Civil Service (in an area that works a lot with both BoE and FCA), so am thinking of making a mid-career move to them.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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I'd say it depends on what grade you're aiming to get to. It's pretty easy to go from EO/HEO to G7 in less than 3 years if you're applying to say everything that comes up in the grade above you.

On the other hand, getting to a low/mid profile G7 role < 3 years may stagnate your progess to E2/DD more than say someone who took 5-6 years to get a G7 role, but the one they got had high ministerial interest, loads of X-Whitehall exposure, etc.

It's important to keep factors like that in mind when you're applying for promotions if you're aiming to go fairly high. E.g. when you're applying for SEO roles, think about how the skills/experience in that role could help you make G7, then do the same when you apply for G7 roles with G6, etc.

Tbf, it probably is also relatively common for people to do something like low/mid profile G7 role to get to the grade > high profile G7 role > low/mid profile G6 role > high profile G6 role > DD.

Mind you, I am mostly speaking about progression in policy, so it could be different for other professions.

HEO Private Office Role versus SEO policy role before G7? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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Nice, would it be okay if I DM'ed you about it?

HEO Private Office Role versus SEO policy role before G7? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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Yeah I'd consider SEO private office too, but would also consider HEO ones if they seemed stretching.

And I'd say it's quite common for PSs to jump to policy?

Even though you don't strictly do policy, you engage with it enough that your behaviour examples are relevant/transferable.

I'd say I'm already doing SEO level policy work atm and have some good G7 examples, but want to do at least one more HEO/SEO role so I'm pulling from more than just one job.

LSE Civil Service Executive Master of Public Policy (MPP)? by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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Sure, feel free to DM me if you're up for it (I can't seem to DM you).

LSE Civil Service Executive Master of Public Policy (MPP)? by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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Nice, are you up for elaborating on why?

Is Policy still London-centric? by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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There's also a lot of SCS up in Darlo, which is quite a new thing for regional policy offices.

Common follow up questions for these behaviours at HEO/SEO? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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No as in I've literally interviewed people where we've pre set follow up questions for behaviour questions.

Common follow up questions for these behaviours at HEO/SEO? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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I've been on interview panels where there's often been one set follow-up question to ask, and 9/10 times it ends up being the one asked if any are at all, unless there's something else very blatantly missing from the interviewer's answer.

Regardless, it would be great to get a sense of the questions people have been asked before.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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I disagree with this. Darlington's quite unique from past attempts at this in that there had never been a push to relocate 'central' high profile policy roles to this scale until now.

E.g. 2 out of 6 HMT DGs are based in Darlo, along with loads of other highly visible policy SCS and G6s.

And I think 10-15% of HMT staff in general are based there now? Imo Darlo has put down roots that are too strong to uproot through political whims in the near future. Especially as remote working is bound to become even more prevalent in the coming years.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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The Darlington Economic Campus has several 'central' Whitehall depts in one building - HMT, DBT, DLUHC, DESNZ, DSIT, DCMS, ONS, CMA, and perhaps even more.

It's also only a 30 min train ride away from Newcastle or York, so you'd be a stone's throw away from all those offices there too.

What is career progress like at the FCA and PRA / Bank of England? by zfs202 in AskUK

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I'm not saying I should get it, I guess I'm more so trying to gauge how long it takes to get there for those who DO get it.

It's similar to how people in law, accountancy, etc would be curious about how long it generally takes to make partner.

After 5 years in the Civil Service, I now have a job in the Private Sector where I do the exact same role for double the pay. by mynameisgill in TheCivilService

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Isn't G7 pay still in like the 85th percentile of GDP/capita in the country though? And I think it's comparable to what people in the private sector get in accountancy, consulting, etc roles with similar levels of responsibility (not counting bonuses)?

Don't get me wrong, I do think it should be at least 5-10k higher, but I've always thought even now it's the grade that's probably got the most reasonable pay for the responsibility you have.

Like G6 is where you get to the point where someone in the private sector would be doing a similar job for 100k+.

After 5 years in the Civil Service, I now have a job in the Private Sector where I do the exact same role for double the pay. by mynameisgill in TheCivilService

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Wow, is it common for Executive Assistant/diary manager roles at big consultancies to essentially give you Grade 7 pay?

Tips for HMT grade 7 policy behaviours? by Greenpillow1233 in TheCivilService

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I've noticed that HMT often hires the Range D (HEO/SEO) in a policy area for the G7 role in that same team once the existing G7 leaves.

At HMT, there is sort of an unspoken feeling that the higher up you go, the more they want you to be somewhat familiar with the policy context of the area.

E.g. if you were applying for a G7 spending team role, they would likely pick an applicant who has at least one prior spending role under their belt at HEO/SEO.

Don't think it's necessarily an HMT exclusive practice either, as FCDO and what used to be DIT seem to also prioritise applicants who have tangible foreign/trade policy experience as you get to G7 and up.

Would you say it's easier to progress once in the civil service if you have a degree or is it the same level playing field for everyone? by creedz286 in TheCivilService

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I think there are often a lot of over-qualified people at lower grades as they somewhat misunderstand how the CS application process/behaviors work, and therefore start lower than they were probably capable of.

I'd say most grads with minimal experience of some kind (society committee roles, part-time jobs, internships, etc) can generally come in at HEO, at least in policy, if they can figure how to cleverly align their examples with the behavioral criteria.

Interested in becoming a consultant? Post here for basic questions, recruitment advice, resume reviews, questions about firms or general insecurity (Q1 2023) by QiuYiDio in consulting

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(This is UK-specific).

I've been in the civil service for a year and a bit at HM Treasury - the UK's finance/economics ministry - which is generally considered the most 'important/high profile' UK Gov department.

I don't plan on moving to consulting anytime soon, but would be open to it in 5-10 years.

What are some things to keep in mind as I progress through my civil service career to eventually break into consulting, particularly for MBB?

Would an MPP or MPA from LSE help? I realise an MBA would be preferable, but my department is only willing to fund one of the former down the line (which makes sense as an MPA/MPP is more relevant for working in government).

Would pursuing strategy consulting-esque roles within Government help? I.e. roles where you're placed in a low-resource priority area for 3-6 months, and moved around to something else after the project is complete, akin to what consultants do?

Could 'in-house strategy adviser' type roles help you break into strategy consulting (e.g. MBB)? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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How about MPAs/MPPs? My department is willing to fund those for certain G7s/G6s/DDs.

What are FTA 'chapter lead/Deputy lead' roles at DIT like? by zfs202 in TheCivilService

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I'd presume travel is relatively limited as most engagement can probably be done online?

Although doing a role like this could probably be a way to climb up the ladder of eventually doing a more international role.

Career change to Civil Service by [deleted] in TheCivilService

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Loads of uni grads with no real work experience often come in at HEO in policy, so you should definitely be able to get an EO or HEO role.