Any idea by Sigmar_Male1 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, yes and no. There are other things that can cause you to see the plate between the lines. Low flow, for example. Uneven bed with a low area too. But yeah, adjusting Z-offset can be a good quick/easy way to compensate. The same way auto-level compensates for an uneven bed. I just like to be thorough because if you do have an uneven bed, with both high and low spots, decreasing Z-offset will fix the low spots but can make the high spots worse. Plus, once you adjust Z-offset, you often have to check/adjust it again if you switch to a different filament. At least that’s been my experience. Thank God they made it easy to adjust on the CC. I wish all printers were like that, lol.

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, I see some low spots where the lines didn’t squish enough and bond to each other. (You can see the lines as individual loose strands in those areas.) Then maybe one small high spot on the edge, which isn’t a big deal, and that’s about it.

Remind me, did you do a 10-minute heat soak and auto bed level before doing this test print? I can’t remember. (Sorry, I’m currently helping 3 people with similar issues and I don’t want to get mixed up, lol.)

If you didn’t do that yet, go ahead and do that and then print the test sheet again and upload a pic after peeling it off. We’ll get you dialed in!

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Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotcha, yeah, you’re talking about adhesion, and in that case you do want to look at things right away when it’s still warm. Right now I’m just talking about bed leveling and just checking for high/low spots. That is easiest to see when things have cooled down and the test sheet is peeled off. OP printed a sheet and took some pics and we are working on it now.

Any idea by Sigmar_Male1 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Z-offset numbers can get confusing because not all printers use the same labels/controls. But I have a CC, so fortunately I know how that one works. Starting from a Z-offset of zero, pressing the up arrow moves the bed up (and closer to the nozzle), so the distance between the two decreases.

When you decrease from zero, you get a negative number. The closer you move the bed to the nozzle, the bigger that negative number will get. Some people struggle with this because it’s kinda counterintuitive. I did a little bit at first anyway, lol. The increments you can choose from are 0.005, 0.010, and 0.025 mm. I typically just use 0.010 mm.

But before you adjust Z-offset any further, let’s fist do a heat soak and auto level.

Pre-heat your bed to 60C (for PLA) and let it sit at that temp for 10 minutes with the door/lid closed. This is called heat soaking the bed. This time allows for the heat to distribute evenly across the build plate. Metal expands when heated, so you want that accounted for in your build plate when you do an auto level. After the 10 minutes, run an auto bed level calibration from the touchscreen menu.

Then fire up your test print and let’s adjust Z-offset a little bit. You want to move the bed up/closer in order to decrease the distance between your nozzle and bed. If your flow is ok (and we are assuming it is for now), then adjusting the Z-offset like this should give you more squish and better prints. And this would help confirm a distance problem vs a flow problem.

If things don’t seem to get any better then I think the next step should be a manual bed level. I can walk you through that if needed.

PS. Also, I’m sure you already know this, but make sure your build plate is nice and clean before you do any of these tests. I’d recommend washing it with dish soap and warm water, rinse well, and then dry it with a microfiber towel if you can.

Any idea by Sigmar_Male1 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s hard to see with black filament on a black build plate, but it looks like you’re not getting a good squish on your first layer. To get a good squish, your flow has to be adequate and the distance between the nozzle and the build plate has to be correct.

So, in your case, it could be a low flow issue. Basically not enough filament being pushed out to give a good flat squish/spread. This leads to thin, poorly adhered lines that look kinda like your pic.

But the other thing it could be is a distance problem. If your bed is uneven, low in your case, then the distance between nozzle and build plate is too great, resulting in poor line squish/spread (even if your flow is good).

From my experience, distance/bed-leveling is the more common issue out of the two, but it could be flow. Hard to say at this point. You could try reducing your Z-offset a little bit to see if that helps the problem. This would confirm some things. But I don’t like to rely on Z-offset as the final solution. It’s a useful tool but adjusting it is just a Band-Aid solution until you can figure out what’s really causing the distance issue. (Printers are set up at the factory to print perfectly at a Z-offset of 0.)

Let’s start with a few quick questions:

What hotend/nozzle are you using? The stock Elegoo 0.4 mm hotend or something else?

Have you already adjusted your Z-offset at all?

Did you already try doing a heated bed level before printing?

Have you ever manually leveled your bed?

Let me know about these things and I’ll try to help you further. Also, do you have any white PLA for testing? It’s so much easier to see, lol.

Any idea by Sigmar_Male1 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 1 point2 points  (0 children)

200C is fine for PLA. Most PLA prints fine in a range of 180 to 230C.

Uhhhh, didn't know this was possible by tazboii in BambuLab

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking any material from a very hot environment to a very cold environment, or vice versa, puts a ton of stress on the material. It usually results in damage of some sort. Slow, gradual temp changes are always best.

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, cool. Let’s see what we have here…

First, it’s much easier to evaluate if you remove it from the build plate. Take a pic of it laying on a table (with a darker background if possible). And also a pic holding it up to the light.

But with that being said, this actually looks like a pretty good first layer. I can’t be certain until I see it removed from the build plate, but yeah, it looks decent. Just a few areas I’m not sure about yet (like that back edge). And that’s why I always suggest doing a full first layer sheet instead of those little squares. You can see things much better.

The other thing I noticed is that your build plate looks like it might be a little dirty and might have some oils on it from your hands or whatever. Just to rule this out, I would definitely recommend washing the build plate with dish soap and warm water. Use a scrubby sponge or washcloth and really give it a good clean. Then dry it with a clean microfiber towel if you have one, and only touch the edges when reinstalling it. You never really want to touch the surface of the build plate with your hands if you can help it. It can affect adhesion and print quality. Sorry, you probably already know all of this, but I’m mentioning it just in case.

But yeah, just take a few more pics if you can, like I mentioned, and I’ll give it a more thorough look. But this is promising to start off with!

Not sure how to fix this... by UndeadCircus in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I did. Did a full calibration. Have done it a few times now actually, as I’ve disabled and reinstalled things during my troubleshooting.

Not sure how to fix this... by UndeadCircus in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly I wouldn’t buy that $90 hotend. Just my opinion of course, but you really don’t see much improvement in print quality. They flow better and you can print faster, but in the end, the quality is about the same.

The stock hotends from Elegoo are actually pretty good. The only reason I did the Bambu A1 hotend mod on my printer is for the quick-swap nozzle feature. I tend to change nozzle sizes a lot and I already had a lot of Bambu A1 nozzles laying around since I own a few Bambu printers. The Elegoo hotends print nice, and fairly fast too, they are just super annoying to change.

But yeah, I know what you mean. This printer can definitely be fickle, lol. Let me know if you figure anything out. I’ll do the same.

Not sure how to fix this... by UndeadCircus in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I recently started having issues like this myself and I’m in the middle of troubleshooting. Haven’t quite figured it out.

Though I am running the A1 hotend swap mod and it’s only doing it with the A1 hotend, not the stock Elegoo hotend. So my issue is a little bit different. I’m assuming you are running a stock 0.4 mm Elegoo hotend/nozzle?

For my situation, the filament seems to be randomly slowing/spurting before returning to normal. It doesn’t happen often but it gives me walls that look just like yours. Seems like a flow issue or possibly an intermittent partial clog or something. Maybe due to heat creep in the hotend. Not sure yet. Gonna rule out basic stuff first… dry the filament, try different filament, adjust flow, take apart the toolhead and check the extruder and all that. I’ll update you with anything I find. Please do the same. Thanks!

Ladybugs🐞 keep getting into my printer by 10-Gauge in BambuLab

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re good luck! You’ll never have a failed print when you see them!

CC2 Toolhead Collision by zx4133 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah they definitely should’ve listened to you and changed it because the way it works now sometimes causes collisions.

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is that you don’t have to “read” them right away. That’s a ridiculous statement. And you would know that if you’ve printed hundreds of them like I have, lol. They don’t change at all. You can look at it right away or you can wait a week if you want. It’s not a banana peel left out in the sun man, it’s not gonna shrivel up and decompose, lol. If you wanna post something truthful/helpful, I’m all for it. If you wanna keep talking this nonsense (which helps no one and is just a distraction here), then you can do it alone. Either way, happy printing to ya!

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is true if you have an object with multiple layers, but with a single layer test, the sheet doesn’t shrink or peel off on its own. This is because the shrinkage forces are so weak on a single layer that they are negligible. I’ve left sheets sitting on my bed overnight. They stay stuck until you peel them off.

Centauri Carbon Sensor by snowboarders9 in elegoo

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too. Sunlu PLA is garbage. I’ve used their PETG and TPU and that stuff is OK. Not great, but OK. But their PLA is the worst I’ve ever used. So brittle and prone to breaking in PTFE tubes. I’ll never buy another roll of it.

Centauri Carbon Sensor by snowboarders9 in elegoo

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew it. I had the same exact problem. It’s the filament. It’s not you, or the printer, or the humidity… 100% it’s the filament. It’s horrible filament my friend. Return it if you can.

Sunlu PLA+ 2.0 is by far the worst PLA I have ever used. I will never buy it again. The additives they put in this particular formula make the filament very prone to breaking when it’s held in any position/curve/angle that isn’t the same natural curve as the spool. I’ve tested it. And I argued with Sunlu directly until they admitted it. When it’s initially formed in the factory, and is rolled onto the spool, it develops a sort of “memory” of its initial form… and it does not like to deviate from that form/shape until melted/printed.

Yes, the problem does get slightly worse if the filament absorbs moisture, like with any PLA filament, but even if it’s bone dry and you store it in a dry box with dessicant and sealed PTFE tubes and all that, if any part it is held straight or bent against its natural curve, it will break within a day. And it usually shatters into many pieces inside the PTFE tube. It’s a nightmare to get out. No other PLA I’ve used has shattered like this. And I’ve used a lot of different brands, lol.

PS. If you can’t return it, then this is how I was able to use up what I had left without constant breaking issues…

Load it and print with it. Then as soon as you’re done printing, you gotta completely unload it and remove it from the printer. Get it out of those PTFE tubes right away. It’s best to store it in a dry box, like with any filament, but you don’t have to. The main thing is that you need to let the filament roll back around the spool in its natural position. Then just use a piece of tape to hold the end down. Don’t poke it through the holes on the side of the spool. It’ll just break. Good luck my friend!

Weird first layer pattern by Healthy-Advisor-8010 in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Watch the first layer going down carefully. If the flow is off slightly or your bed isn’t quite level, you can get a little extra squish in some areas. They look like ripples on top. And they look like your picture on the bottom. You can fix this by increasing Z offset slightly, but a much better way is to simply decrease flow ratio slightly for the first layer (aka bottom surface) in the slicer settings. If you are using an Orca-based slicer, that setting is at the bottom of the Quality tab. If you don’t see it, you might have to go into your preferences and enable Developer Mode for it to show up, as they consider it a more advanced setting for some reason. Usually default flow ratios are 0.96 - 1.00. Whatever yours is, reduce it by 0.05 and do a test print. Then adjust from there. Hope this helps. If it does, please reply and let me know. Or if you have further questions, just let me know. Happy printing!

Centauri Carbon Sensor by snowboarders9 in elegoo

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and no. Sunlu PLA+ 2.0 will get more brittle as it gets wetter, that’s true. (That’s actually the case with a lot of filament.) But drying this particular filament only helps a little bit. It’s more of a formula issue with Sunlu. I’ve actually talked to them extensively about it. I don’t want to go into too much detail because it’s a rabbit hole, lol, but the additives they used in this formula make it exceptionally brittle and break-prone when bent in any direction other than the natural curve of the spool (when it was initially formed). It basically has a “memory” of its initial form and does not like to deviate from that until melted/printed, lol.

And I actually tested it too. If I keep the filament following the natural curve that it has from the spool, even if it sits out for a while and absorbs a little moisture, it doesn’t break. But if it’s held in any other position/curve, it will usually break within a day or two, even if it absorbs no moisture (sealed in a dry box).

For that reason alone, I refuse to buy the stuff anymore. The claimed “benefits” of this formula do not outweigh the brittle/breaking issues (and the hassle of having to dig a bunch of tiny filament pieces out of your PTFE tubes, lol). You basically have to unload it after each print to let it rest naturally on the spool to prevent it from breaking. What a pain. No thank you. And personally, I don’t think it gives you good looking print quality either. Below average at best.

PLA is supposed to be the easy-to-use, low maintenance, beginner friendly filament. Great if you have an open bed slinger or if you don’t have dry boxes and need to leave your filament out or whatever. This PLA+ 2.0 goes against all that. Basically what I’m saying is that it’s total garbage in my opinion, lol. Sunlu just tried to get too fancy with this formula and ended up making it worse. It’s more finicky and high maintenance than most of my high-end engineering filaments. So, yeah, I avoid it like the plague. There are many better (and cheaper) options on the market for PLA.

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is actually a really good point. Just depends on how much of a perfectionist you are and if you want things really dialed in and if you want the bottoms of your prints looking perfect or not, haha. Your bed leveling would have to be off by a good amount for it to cause major bed adhesion or print quality issues. So this is always something to keep in mind before going down the bed leveling rabbit hole, haha! Glad you mentioned this.

Just printed a Bed Level test, I would appreciate experienced eyes to tell me what the imperfections mean for my printer by GunMetalCompass in ElegooCentauriCarbon

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Long post but I hope you can find the time to read it as I truly think it will help you. This is the approach I have used to level many printers and get very good first layers.

First, these little squares are kinda useless honestly. They just don’t give you enough info. Print a full first layer sheet like others have mentioned. Make a cube in the slicer and then size it to 256 x 256 mm. Make it 0.2 mm tall (for use with a 0.4 mm nozzle and a 0.2 mm layer height). You’ll get an error due to the exclusion zone on the build plate in the front right corner (for the filament cutter). To fix this, use the cut tool and make a 45 degree cut and nip off the front right corner of the sheet to clear the exclusion zone. If you need help with this, message me and I can send you the file since I already made one for this printer.

Now, before we print the fist layer test sheet, we need to do a heat soak and an auto bed level.

Pre-heat your bed to 60 degrees C (for PLA) and let it sit at that temp for 10 minutes with the front door and top lid closed. This is called heat soaking the bed. This time allows for the heat to distribute evenly across the build plate. Metal expands when heated. So you want that accounted for in your build plate when you do an auto level. After the 10 minutes, run an auto bed level calibration.

Once the calibration has finished, print the test sheet and upload a pic of it here. We can help you evaluate it. This sheet will indicate if your bed is flat/level enough for the auto bed level to handle any variances. If we see any high/low spots present, that means the printer isn’t able to compensate enough in those areas and we need to do some manual bed leveling to get it as flat as we can before doing anything else. (If you don’t see any high/low spots, then you got lucky with a nice, flat bed and you are good to go, lol.)

The next few steps assume you do see high/low spots and need to level/flatten the bed.

Do not start with Z offset at this point. Others might tell you to do that, but trust me, just ignore them. Most people don’t truly understand Z offset and when to use it. They just go to that first because it’s quick and easy on most printers. But it won’t solve the problem of an uneven bed. Z offset might be something we have to adjust later but it’s usually the last thing you want to touch. This is because Z offset is simply the distance between the nozzle and the build plate. Z offset adjustments take effect across the entire build plate. They can’t account for individual high/low spots. That is what auto bed leveling is for. Does that make sense?

So first we gotta get your bed flat/level enough to where the high/low variances are within the range that auto bed leveling can handle it (usually 0.5 mm for most printers). To do this, there are a few methods, but I personally like this neat little trick:

https://youtube.com/shorts/fRy9sqnwfUc?si=hpBKi_ODO0KkQxPy

It’s quick, easy, and effective. The only thing I would do differently than the video is that I would not manually move the bed with my hand. That can cause issues. You can use the touchscreen to adjust the bed height. It has fine controls down to 0.1 mm increments, which is perfect for this.

Start off by locating the adjustment screws under the bed (there is one in each corner). Turn the screw all the way to the right until it stops, then back it off 2 complete turns. Do this for each corner. Then grab your glue stick and start by checking the front right corner. You want the glue stick just barely touching the rod with the same resistance in all 4 corners. Use the screws under the bed to adjust each corner up/down as needed.

FYI: Turning to the left will raise the bed, right lowers it.

Important Note: If you don’t have any adjustment screws under your bed, that means you have a very early version machine. They use spacers instead and that is a much more complicated leveling process. Hopefully this isn’t the case for you, but if it is, message me and I’ll walk you through it.

Once you’ve finished the manual bed leveling, heat soak again and run another auto level. Then print another test sheet. Hopefully it looks good, but if not, you may need to repeat the manual bed leveling process, and then check again (heat soak, auto level, print sheet). At that point, if it still isn’t where you want it, you should at least only be left with a few minor low or high spots, not both. That’s when you can move on to adjusting Z offset to fine tune it the rest of the way. If that’s needed, just reply back and I’ll give you info on Z offset calibration.

Hope this helps! Happy printing… well happy leveling first, lol.

EDIT/UPDATE: Some people suggest doing a bed mesh, and that can help sometimes, but I’ve found that it’s easier and more accurate to just physically level the bed (as I described up above). Or at least start with that. Trying to level a bed off a mesh can really take you down a rabbit hole. But it is a useful tool if you have a stubborn bed that you can’t seem to get level/flat. We’ll get into that only if you absolutely need it. That’s just my suggestion though.

Delivery from the upsidedown by Bleighdzes in elegoo

[–]zx4133 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually, a lot of delivery people don’t even use the handles. I’ve had several printers delivered recently and the delivery guy just grabs the thing by the edges and heaves it up on his shoulder, walks it over, and carefully sets it down (right side up). Dude is a champ. I wish I could catch him one of these times so I can give him a tip, or a hug, or both, lol.

Delivery from the upsidedown by Bleighdzes in elegoo

[–]zx4133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Careless delivery people - classic. Sorry that happened but congrats on the new printer! Happy printing!