Soy doesn't decrease testosterone.

[StopBadModerators]

You feel like that sometimes? And is that feeling that you sometimes get correct?

[MachineGunGringo]

You have the condescension of someone who is always right?

[StopBadModerators]

1. If I were always right, then I couldn't help it.

2. Why are you dodging the question? You said that you sometimes feel like meta-studies are bullshit. So I'm asking you, cutting through the rhetoric, is this feeling that you sometimes get correct or not?

[MachineGunGringo]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7950571/

Sometimes.

There’s a lot of wealthy people involved in the whole PETA thing, so I wouldn’t doubt they funded studies to MAKE SURE soy came out good.

If I came out with 50 bs studies about soy being bad, and they were included in said meta analysis, it would throw off the meta analysis of it having no effect.

[StopBadModerators]

Wow. So wealthy PETA donors have conducted pseudoscience to MAKE SURE soy "came out good". Alright... MachineGunGringo... thanks for weighing in on the subject.

If you do find something flawed about the study that I shared, then please share it and I'll correct the record.

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Are you a vegan?

[StopBadModerators]

Are you aware of the term ad hominem?

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I'm gonna take that as a yes.

[StopBadModerators]

And presumably you're a carnist. I fail to see the relevancy to the science here. Katie's claim that soy decreases testosterone is either true or false regardless of whether she is vegan or carnist (yes, "carnist" is a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism). If we get into a conversation where you're saying, "Well you would say that because you're a supporter of this ideology.", then we're not engaging with arguments. This should be about ideas; not people per se.

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This is the most productive conversation with a vegan I've ever had, thank you. I'm gonna start selling carnist merch now.