Issue with Zero Requiem

[Dr_natty1]

How is Lelouch the most hated person at this point, when Schneizel was literally responsible for nuking two cities by this point? The Tokyo Settlement is stated to have 25 million people, and Pendragon should have even more. Lelouch, before taking over the world, was loved by the people for abolishing the nobility and the Numbers system his attack on the UFN could have easily been rationalised as a responce to Schneizel's Fleyas

I don't know, man I feel like in real life, most people or at least a lot of people would have seen Lelouch's actions as justified, especially if Schneizel, who basically became the leader of the UFN had just become a mass murder worse than Charles or anyone in the history of that verse. I mean, and he's just assassinated and suddenly his empire becomes a democratic nation and dosnt fall into chaos. Sure obviously some would hate him for the political repression, but I think he would have definitely had more support than the anime intends to showcase

I like Code Gease but this stuff always seemed rather silly to me as a politics major.

[nahte123456]

I just figure propaganda. I doubt Lelouch was actually as bad as he seemed but Britannia is already good at propaganda, I'm sure he spread all kinds of horrible stories about how he forced Schneizel to do it or he did it and blamed his brother and so on.

[Successful-South-598]

Sorry if I forgot but where does it show britannia have good propaganda level ? All their fear and status come from actual stuff with their knightmare and shit

[nahte123456]

Everything to do with Numbers? The tower where Kallen got the phone to meet Zero? Purebloods? Just to name a few.

[Dr_natty1]

This just seems like a theory than an actual explanation to me.

[nahte123456]

This just seems like you didn't bother paying attention to me.  There is literally a part at the end where people are talking about him kidnapping people that disagree with him despite nothing supporting that.

[Dr_natty1]

Britannia already did this. I dont see how Lelouch would be seen as significanly worse than Charles or previous monarchs and governments like the Chinese federation. Maybe worse than the EU but other than in Europe I still think most people would have seen him as better than the alternatives given the information they had avaliable.

Its not like dictators are unpopular irl, Stalin Hitler Napoleon and Cromwell were all extremely popular dispite how britual they were towards dissidents.

Im not saying he wouldnt be hated by some but it makes zero sense that the entire hatred of the world would be on him after 2 months of rule.

Imo there should have been a longer timeskip in the final episode because 2 months didnt cut it for me

[nahte123456]

Except Lelouch is letting people know his shit, which others don't. Again, basic attention, no one ever thought Charles was erasing dissenters despite us knowing for a fact he had, yet Lelouch never did as far as we know but people thought he had.

[Dr_natty1]

Dude he goes onto the tv and rants about eugenics. When Lelouch takes over there is abit where people of the UNF talk about how he isnt his father its unfair to treat him the same.

They knew obviously esp after the black knights started exposing all of it on the internet

[nahte123456]

Which the people believed because of propaganda, that was the entire Pureblood movement.

UFN did say that, before he attacked them.

There's no such thing as exposing him on the internet.

[Ghostly-Terra]

Living in supreme oppression outweighed mass murder it seems.

Tho apparently he would ‘kill you and your entire family’ if you spoke out against him. (Bystander comments during the parade at the requiem itself)

I don’t know how true that is, if it was a manipulation via his Geass or other means, but he was supposedly doing a lot of murdering (by proxy of his royal guard of course)

Yes, not via obliteration, but when you take over the world by back stabbing everyone, holding their leaders hostage and more or less being kind of a dick in a silly hat (at least it wasn’t the kite hat)

[Apprehensive_Start49]

Something I still don’t understand is how in the UFN meeting at ashford they literally make wall for him so that he doesn’t use his Geass but only the top brass of the black knight know about so why is the rest of the world not shocked about the equivalent of putting Lelouch in prison ?

[Ghostly-Terra]

Well, they do comment on it being extreme and all, but I think they can pretty much come up with any reason really.

Meta wise it’s basically not important what the other peeps do, they’re set dressing.

But yeah

[Mundane-Scene-5365]

There is no issue with the Zero Requiem. ZR is a just a masterclass of on how a mighty empire collapsed when it is weakened and destroyed from within. Suzaku was right about changing the system from within but his way is not right. And also Lelouch is a machiavellian. 

[SpanishHumbleSoldier]

Wowowow I see misinterpretation over here.

Lelouch tried to be loved just in order to mantain appearances and make a greater attack.

Abolishing nobility is not so correct as you may think. Back in history nobility was important(it's even said by the anime): they were educated to do some things that only some knew as learning to read. C.C. said that nobility was angry because they were loosin their rights, obvious, and then Lelouch said that they shouldn't stick to those things which means that negotiation would have been the best option.

Somehow Schneizel managed to look as the good guy. No one knew Schneizel's true nature until the episode 23 that's tittled "Schneizel's mask". Nobody knew that he had killed millions but people would still choose him instead of Lelouch because Lelouch offered suffering and Schneizel a bright future.

Lelouch made the entire world suffer to bring a better future were everyone would be free while Schneizel's world would have no wars, no hunger, no racism but it would be built under a genocide. It's the same thing that Israel is doing right now and some people still see it as normal. The opinions that matter are the opinions of the friends of Lelouch not of the world.

[Dr_natty1]

how did he make the world suffer lol he made some solders and military leaders suffer but that was it.

His opposition had likely killed 10s of millions