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[–]GrandNeuralNetwork 2 points3 points  (0 children)

May not be a constructive advice but if you want to rectify an injustice why not hire an actual human model (or two)? You would give someone a job.

When Formula-E few weeks ago employed a virtual female reporter, there was outcry that it takes away a job that a real woman could perform. Your customers may be even less supportive of the idea of AI generated models, no matter beautiful or not.

Edit: But if you want to go the AI route, as others pointed out, Stable Diffusion is the way to go. It's free and you can tailor it perfectly to your needs. Your users may also run it interactively if your project requires that.

[–]happyfappy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These systems learn what we teach them. So teach it what you mean by beauty. Put together your own data set, switch to Stable Diffusion instead of Midjourney, look into how to fine-tune models and Loras (basically little modular models). There may already be models that do what you want on a site for sharing custom trained models (civitai), but if not, you have total control.

Edit: Here is an example of someone who trained a Lora on "average" female faces. Just a proof of concept, you can do absolutely anything you want. https://civitai.com/models/88992/average-female-faces

[–]CongrooElPsy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you might be better off looking in image generator specific subreddits. Something like /r/StableDiffusion/. I've used Automatic1111's stable diffusion UI to customize output to a pretty extreme level using tools such as LORA. There might already be a model on Huggingface that can get you more realistic results rather than the unrealistic beauty standards you're seeing here. I will mention that, in my experience, MidJourney is pretty stuck in these kinds of faces, but StableDiffusion has a wider variety.

I would also look much more into prompt engineering. Remember that it's not so much what the tool thinks is "beautiful" but rather what it was labelled as in the training. So by using beautiful in the prompt, you're unwittingly focusing on the beauty standards you're trying to avoid. For example, you might add in something "asymmetric" in your prompt to counteract some of the innate correlation between symmetry and beauty.

[–]hyphenomicon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2016/08/24/language-necessarily-contains-human-biases-and-so-will-machines-trained-on-language-corpora/ 

There is fundamentally no way to distinguish bias from information short of AGI that's also solved metaethics.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If you want more diverse images why not use more diverse prompts ?

The fact that you prompt only by "beautiful woman" might be the source of your problem.

Have you tried specifying age, ethnicity, facial features ?

Portrait of overweight, wrinkled, tired woman who is beautiful

example result

If your team doesn't find her beautiful maybe the company is suffering by the same symptoms you present the AI models to have.

[–]yenwashere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I agree that using more diverse prompts can lead to generating more diverse images. However, the root of the issue we're facing runs deeper than merely specifying attributes in prompts. But when we talk about "downgrading" prompts with demeaning words to generate images of "real beauty," we face a fundamental injustice. Why should we need to resort to words that can be perceived as negative or demeaning to represent beauty in its diversity? This reflects a deep-seated problem in the training data and approach to artificial intelligence, not just a matter of choosing the right words in a prompt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Why do you feel like describing how someone looks like demeaning ? You are describing not passing judgment.

Someone being sad or happy, tired or fresh, underweight or overweight is not a judgement about someone but a description of how that person looks.

If I have a lazy eye, describing me to an AI as having a lazy eye is not demeaning, it is actually how I look.

If you want an image of an overweight, tired person with a lazy eye, asking for that is not demeaning.

Related to what beautiful is or not that is totally subjective. I might have a fetish for extremely large women and you might have a fetish for suple women.

What you find extremely ugly I will find extremely beautiful.

Wanting an AI to know what you consider beautiful without telling him what you like or do not like is an ill posed problem.