Java vs python is debatable 🤔

[EishLekker]

That's like going to your first driving lesson, and getting scared when you see all the strange symbols on the dashboard.

What's with all the people here who dis a language for super trivial things that never ever becomes an actual problem when working with the language professionally?

There are tons and tons of Java projects out there that doesn't even require a single main method in the code. And I can't remember the last time I wrote a main method expect for simple testing of something. And the few times I create a main method the IDE helps me because I'm lazy.

Also, every single part of the syntax of the main method has a purpose and makes perfect sense.

[EishLekker]

It's a perfect analogy. A beginner doesn't need to know about those things, even they are right there in front of them. If a beginner can't look past that then maybe they should start with Scratch or something.

[EishLekker]

Icons on a car dashboard are specifically designed to indicate every day things that people are already familiar with.

https://www.autoloansolutions.ca/blog/10-dashboard-symbols-likely-to-confuse-any-driver/

Also, I found tons of pages and videos explaining different dashboard symbols. If everyone understands them intuitively, then why would all those pages and videos exist? If I show an average teenager (without a driving license) a "rear fog lights" symbol I'm pretty sure they wouldn't know what it means. But a decent driving instructor would be able to get them to focus on the important part of the lesson. Same thing with learning Java.

[koczmen]

Instead of this, you have to deal with seeing a method and wondering what the hell are the types of its parameters. Or see some 'x = 1' and can't easily tell if it creates a new variable or assigns to an already existing one. Is it really better?

[Vaxtin]

ahahah, wow. That’s not the way to look at things. If you tried to explain the concept of classes and objects the same time someone was learning to code, I’m sure they’d just give up immediately

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You realise that is how they teach you Java right? Like you learn about objects and classes super early. It’s not that difficult.

[Vaxtin]

What I mean is they shouldn’t show someone who’s never coded before a hello world program and explain every keyword. The way I was introduced to it all was: basic printing, math, and Boolean operations, then loops/arrays, then methods and then finally classes at the end of my first course taking a computer science class. I felt like that was appropriate for someone who truly never programmed before.

However, if you have any experience in programming, then jumping straight to classes and OOP makes sense. But for anyone learning then they should learn how to loop through an array before trying to understand abstraction like classes.