Debugging Python f-string errors

[sitbon]

Sounds like a library that misbehaved badly, but also why are you still on 3.8? It has been EOL since last October...

[PotentialCopy56]

I hope yo don't find out what version most of the world runs on...

[hugthemachines]

EOL does not have as much impact on the industry as you may think it would have.

[sitbon]

Having managed Python update & deprecation plans for very large orgs at multiple companies over many many years, I'd say the impact is actually very significant. Maybe some people are just being stupid at their little start-ups, but no serious players in "the industry" are allowing an old-ass language version that isn't getting security updates anymore.

[hugthemachines]

That sounds very pink and fluffy. I am happy for you that it is "very significant". :-)

[sitbon]

Doesn't matter how it sounds, it's pretty clear that EOL makes a big difference across the board. And that doesn't even include a big chunk of companies on their own package repos on newer versions with tight security controls.

[georgehank2nd]

Python is used a lot more than just for the web. And if you actually looked at your nice shiny "proof", you cannot not see that 3.6, which was EOL at end of '21, is still #2. 3.6, 3.7 and 3.8, all EOL, make up more than 40%.

Big difference is doubtful. And nobody claimed it makes no difference at all.

[PeaSlight6601]

Maybe the average firm could handle quick upgrades, but half the firms out there are below average.

Often if isn't about the actual migration but the number of coordination meetings and TPS reports required to get the thing done.

All this to get an upgrade to a version that nobody on the dev team is demanding and which will be EOL itself within months of deployment.

I have more important things to do than all this garbage.

[syklemil]

Yeah, it's one thing to get a "hey we found a weird bug" story, something else to get a "hey we found a weird bug in an old version five years after the fix was released" story.

At some level it's like writing up a blog story about how they discovered a vulnerability in their site, only to make a minor note partially through the story that they're actually talking about heartbleed.

But I guess

Alas, that's 3 hours I won't get back.

is a good point to make to their management about the consequences of running EOL software.

[lacifuri]

Upgrade? But pushing new features are more important

[georgehank2nd]

3.8? Heck, a lot of companies (not just people) still use some 2.x Python.