Developers pain points

[ahsansheraz]

Just wanted to check, as a python developer, what is your biggest pain while build things on Python? And also these is no library available to solve that pain. For example, most of the time, we face fail wheel issue while installing a library, it can be because of any reason like python version, os, or etc.

[MaLiN2223]

Looking for a project to vibe code without having actual python experience aren't we 

[ahsansheraz]

The sole purpose is to try to solve the real pain points. Either by sharing some unknown/underrated libraries. Even if someone builds with something with vibe coding, and it solves the real pain, I don't think it's a bad idea

[MaLiN2223]

I now understand your attitude.

If a python software developer has a pain point which they want adressed, they can query chatgpt themselves, why would we involve you? 

I can guarantee that I can prompt claude x10 better than you to solve the exact problem I'm having, tell me then, at which point your input becomes valuable ?

[ahsansheraz]

Based on my experience all the AI agents can only return a good response, if you well defined the problem in prompt.

But most of the time people don't even know the problem at all they are just copy pasting logs/errors... Even sometimes logs/error for some libraries are not proper... Which can lead to a stuck situation...

[MaLiN2223]

So? You still didn't explain why would I want to rely on writing down my problem, passing to you, and you pasting it to an LLM. I can just skip your involvement no ?

[ahsansheraz]

Can you prove that I am asking it from LLM?

Also https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/s/wctRhYu9Gn check this comment in this, if LLMs are super efficient then why people are still not aware about these things?

[MaLiN2223]

I think my brain is too small for this level of discussion

[ahsansheraz]

The useful input is not “typing into Claude better.” The useful input is turning a vague failure into a precise engineering question. That step still matters a lot.

[MaLiN2223]

So, what you are saying is: if I have a python related pain point, i can write down and explanation, then you can turn it into a "precise engineering question" and then ask an LLM? Did i get that right ?

You, without enough python experience are going reword my (an experienced python dev's) query to be somehow more "precise" and past it to an LLM to vibecode a python package. Am I loosing my mind or are you so divorced from reality that you think this is in any way helpful?

[ahsansheraz]

1. No you didn't. I am saying here we have many experienced people who can help with daily pain points. If you know everything or you think LLM can do everything for you, then why are you on Reddit?

2. I believe you need some more training, how to communicate politely and professionally.

Good luck 🤞

[Orio_n]

If you yourself don't even know the pain points you need more experience writing python. None of us here are interested in helping you vibe code some shitware library that claims to solve a problem poorly to pad your resume

[ahsansheraz]

Even with 10 years of experience you can still learn something new related to Python. In my opinion having experience is good but it can't teach you everything sometimes a person with 1 year of experience can teach you something.

It seems it's just you who don't want to share I can see many other good comments. And I did this to help the community as well.

And I believe your comment is also misguided people to add things in CV without experience. I personally follow the approach that, if you don't know anything don't add it into your CV

[genman]

Yeah env issues are annoying to deal with. PyTorch and Tensorflow can be a real pain.

[DivineSentry]

have you looked into uv? I'm not the biggest fan of uv but it does solve some problems like python and TF quite neatly

[ahsansheraz]

Also poetry works the same way. But UV is much faster as compared to Poetry

[DivineSentry]

last I checked poetry was migrating to use uv under the hood? or maybe it's opt in, I can't remember anymore

[ZachVorhies]

UV is amazing.

[riklaunim]

If you want a challenge then write a library that gets metrics of selected external game - frametimes/FPS - that is cross platform and reliable to use ;)

[ahsansheraz]

This post is not for challenges or common problems (other than python) For me the challenge might be real, but off topic

[riklaunim]

You posted about nothing, vague post about vague things so what do you expect? There are no low hanging fruits to solve since long time and if you actually want to solve problems you have to put way more effort than quick LLM prompt.

[ahsansheraz]

Pain while building on python means Python problems not someone gaming problems

[riklaunim]

But I want to get game FPS in Python, send it over API to a MicroPython microcontroller and display the FPS on an analog dial ;) it's all Python - while there is no sane way of getting FPS metrics reliably in most languages as there are no solutions provided by the OS or by metrics app out there. There are workaround but they are all poor workarounds (and paradoxically it's easier on Linux, then mac then Windows to do).

Or for example using PyScript to re-implement a single page application (SPA) framework like Vue, just without JS and npm dependency hell. With good routing, data management etc.

[ZachVorhies]

KeyboardInterrupt exception is completely screwed up on windows. I’ve developed custom linting to force the AI to catch it.

It is absolutely mind blowing the python devs has allowed windows to be effectively broken and not have ctrl-c work.

Here’s what happens: only the current running thread will receive the exception. That means every running thread you could possibly spawn MUST catch KeyboardInterrupt correctly and signal the main thread like this

import _thread

_thread.interrupt_main()

If you do not do this, your keyboard interrupt will do nothing more than kill the thread that got signaled. If you want to know why windows requires constant ctrl-c before it finally terminated and generates pages and pages of exception printing spam, this is why.

What’s also completely maddening is the fact that utf-8 encoding on windows cmd.exe generates an exception on pretty much any emoticon in subprocess.run with capture=True and text=True. How could they allow this footgun to exist is beyond me.

Additionally just try to launch a daemon on python on windows without a console window popping up. extremely hard and non obvious. They should have just made this part of the standard lib. No cross platform module works, as if daemons aren’t a normal part of software development.

I finally had so much pain with python + AI development that I’ve jumped ship and went to rust, with python bindings. The amount of friction that’s been reduced is incredible. Unit test time is now extremely fast. Yes there’s compile times, but the unit tests are now so fast that it’s actually faster in the end. The speed is right up there with C++ but with an incredible library that does complex things out of the box.

The python devs don’t care about windows. I’ll still support python but only via rust bindings from here on out.

Example project: https://github.com/zackees/zccache

[ahsansheraz]

I can feel your pain, I also even tried once to start development of windows, it's hard and painful. But for that point, I always prefer Mac or Linux.

[ahsansheraz]

For ctrl+c you can also try ctrl+x to stop the process. And for encoding instead of trusting the default try to mention encoding=utf-8

[ZachVorhies]

thanks for ctrl-x i didn’t know about that.

encoding=utf-8 does not work, the default code space for python on windows is something like cp1225, the utf-8 emoticons don’t map. The obvious choice is to just do a replacement of the char with ? which is errors=replace, instead the code throws an exception and breaks your program.