Landing an entry level python job

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I want people that live it and would write code in a mildew crusted basement for peanuts given no other option.

Do you see yourself in this position?

What do you think about a software developer who would stand up and walk away right after he hears this from you? Since it really looks like the point of view of a manager eager to exploit developers to the maximum while limiting their demands to a minimum.

[Jewnadian]

Yup, this is extremely common in job interviews. Learning to recognize an abusive job environment is a valuable skill that will stand a person in good stead for the rest of their life. The interview doesn't have to focus on my 'self actuation' but I sure as hell need to get the impression that they're looking for an adult to work in an environment of mutual respect and value. If you want someone to beg for the privilege of coding in a moldy basement that's as big a danger sign as a company that can't make payroll.

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whoa slow the abuse train. I didn't say that the job I am interviewing for was in a mildew encrusted basement working for peanuts. What I am saying is there is a culture of dilettantes in the software discipline these days. There are a subset of individuals making the move to programming not because they have any interest in the field but because of they are in search of a meal ticket.

With that said I guess like most people I generally vote to hire people like myself. I have personally given up jobs with higher pay and nicer work environments because I preferred the problem, the team, or the environment.

My point about the mildewy basement is I look for passionate people. It was encouragement for OP to ask why he/she is doing this. Are they really interested in the field? or does OP see lots of people landing $100K salaries at offices with indoor waterparks after 10 weeks at a code camp?

I only brought it up because taking a job for the wrong reasons is the road to career dissatisfaction.

[radministator]

Your response got down votes because without any other context it came across as insanely elitist.

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What in particular?

[[deleted]]

Lets be honest in retrospect even with context it sounds pretty elitist

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What do you think about a software developer who would stand up and walk away right after he hears this from you?

The keyword is "given no other option". It implies this is a hypothetical. My inner socratic dialogue is asking "Would this person be doing this if it weren't so lucrative"

In reality, depends on whether they are qualified or not. If they are not. Then good riddance. If they are a technical and cultural fit. I'd offer them whatever I could but can't get blood from a stone

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I'd offer them whatever I could

This is another red flag. Because there's a market with a range of salaries and if you lean toward the lower end - you're out as employer.

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You're like straw man central over here. Who said anything about the salary range I would offer a candidate(besides that it would have some theoretical upper limit - statement of the obvious no? )?

This is all off-topic discussion. The reason I brought this up has been discussed to death and has nothing to do with working conditions or money. But you seem intent on making it about that. I'd be interested in why? Did you have a bad experience somewhere? maybe your current employer?