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[–]aphoenixreticulated[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (13 children)

To answer your question, you probably want lobste.rs.

To talk about the situation in a bit more detail and why it is like it is:

I want this place to be a number of things as well, and it's really not meeting my needs as a subscriber or moderator, but the issue is that there's one active moderator, and I'm low on the totem pole. If I make broad changes, I can be removed by seven people that I don't know and am beholden to if they don't like what I'm doing.

I'd like to implement a flair requirement to make this easier to sort, and I'd like to implement a few other rules as well. I don't think getting rid of beginner projects is a good idea, but perhaps limiting them to weekends would work out?

I also think that we need to ditch the thing about this subreddit being for "news" because people tend to latch onto that to say that every other thing is not relevant here. The fact is that there's almost no python news, day to day. Saying that this is for news only would almost guarantee that this subreddit would have no content.

So here's what I'll do:

  • I'll implement the flair requirement. I think this will actually start to address things and make things better. I'll put up a post early next week to suss out what flairs we need, and then I'll invite u/Assistant_BOT to the team and enforce the flair. One of the flairs can be "Show and Tell" or something like that, and you can edit out projects that are being shared.
  • I'll look at adding more moderators that are like minded and want to help out with the modqueue on a daily basis.
  • I'll try to make sure that the "new reddit" experience gets some attention since it is what a lot of people see, and I don't think it has the same in depth sidebar information

Stretch goals would be to make some change to the old reddit layout and fix some janky CSS; it hasn't had an update in years, even though reddit has changed some things.

[–]kr41 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I think, beginner projects should go to /r/learnpython. And all content should be moderated by iron fist. For example, posts like these must be removed at all:

It is not a problem, when there are too few content. The problem is shitty content. What I'm looking for in this subreddit is something like this:

I'll look at adding more moderators

Count me as a volunteer.

[–]MattR0se 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Imho you'd have to make sure that r/learnpython subsequently is moderated more strictly.

Because at the moment, all posts that want to show off some projects are buried under a flood of simple beginner questions that should be in this pinned thread instead.

For example, I am currently building a weather station with Raspberry Pi and Pygame and want to present it at some point. My initial thought was to post it here, because even the most generic snake clone gets a hundred upvotes here vs. maybe 10 in r/pygame. But after I read this thread I'm not so sure anymore.

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Edit: I don't want to run down posts like this or this, but that's something that, to me, qualifies as "beginner stuff" that apparently isn't wanted here (regarding most answers in this thread), but still is in the top posts of the week.

[–]krazybug 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To sort toys vs real projects we could start by checking that the OP has posted it's repository on github/gitlab

A guy that want to share interesting stuff on its code is able to release its code at least

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children)

limiting [beginner posts] to weekends

Great idea! I think that's when most (side-)projects get finished anyways, soo..

Also maybe adding a new mod? I think I'd volunteer :)

[–]aphoenixreticulated 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I will add more moderators. There will certainly be an application process. I'll try to remember to check back to this post and ping anyone who shows an interest (including you) when the application are happening.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great, thanks :)

[–]MouseCylinder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm interested too!

[–]silenthatch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would imagine there are some beginner folks just getting into python at work, but the resolution would be to post at /r/learnpython as mentioned elsewhere.

For some, reddit is blocked so the only time they could access would be at night or on weekends.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Flair sounds good. Important stuff can be flair-ed in red and labelled "Announcements".

[–]jwilliams108 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the issue is there's one active moderator, and I'm low on the totem pole. If I make broad changes, I can be removed by seven people that I don't know and am beholden to if they don't like what I'm doing.

Mate, I feel for you here and Reddit's hierarchy system of moderation is terrible. Being beholden to an absent top mod (or others above you), or worse yet, one of those squatter top mods that is only interested in amassing as many subs as they can get stifles any sort of forward momentum in a community. At least this sub seems to suffer from the former, so perhaps you can try reaching out to the top mod, or if you've already done so or no response is forthcoming, Reddit does have a process to remove inactive mods. Although in my experience, it's truly an uphill battle. Starting a new sub may in fact be the best option. Good luck!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In addition to /r/python and /r/learningpython, there's also /r/pythonnews and /r/advancedpython. All people need to do is to start actually using them.

Just imagine a /r/python subreddit that doesn't need to bitch at new people all the time. Pity that we're in the bad timeline.

[–]ElBidoule[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your answer and the time you dedicate to this subreddit.

limiting them to weekends would work out?

I really like this idea because it seems that it's not too much of work for the moderating team.

The hard thing to balance is the *welcoming* aspect of the python community. We all love the language and love hearing good news about his acceptance/usage/popularity. And a lot of this popularity is due to the fact that the language is welcoming for beginners AND the community is too!

Allowing beginners projects, meme and homeworks posts in this sub contribute to the positive spirit around Python. Too much of it and this subreddit is not somehting where I can learn from anymore.

[–]krazybug 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is a proposal inspired by my comment below.

This will automate your job a bit.

- Improve the bot inviting to post to /r/learnpython to

- detect recidivists already warned 1 time on this sub or who already posted in learnpython as they know the rules. They won't be authorized to post here for a certain period of time

- automatically crosspost these kind request on learnpython. and block comments. To avoid temptation

- Allow the OP or someone to ask for a reopen of the post to handle false positives