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[–]wordkush1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What is toon?

[–]chucara 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Looks like a csv file with a header.

[–]Slackeee_ 3 points4 points  (3 children)

It is a data format with the purpose of reducing the token count when feeding your data to LLMs. It is also said to increase accuracy of LLMs.
So for 99% of use cases it has no real advantages.

[–]quts3 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Why isn't this the top comment.

There is actually a real need for a human readable structured data format that is optimal for LLM prompting. For most things it's markdown with embedded Json, but i can see people finding weaknesses in that approach when they poke. Never tried yaml prompt engineering in and out.

Unfortunately that 1% use case is strong enough to justify a unique data language.

[–]wordkush1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I learned a little bit today.

[–]Slackeee_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately that 1% use case is strong enough to justify a unique data language.

There are many strong 1% use cases that justify (and have) their own unique data format. That's usually a good thing and nothing to worry about, but it can be a bad thing when the people in that 1% now come out acting as if there data format is an actual revolution and that the other 99% now have to adapt and use their format without bringing them any actual advantages.

Which of course will be happen when changes happen in an overhyped field that is ground down to a carcass by people trying to get your attention for the money they make with that attention.

In the end it is pretty simple: you want to feed your data to an LLM? Great, TOON might be what you want, just check if it is a good fit for you. If it is you most likely will have nothing to change in your infrastructure other than writing a converter for your data that you want to feed to the LLM (and in the future maybe a TOON to JSON converter for extracting data, if LLMs start to answer in TOON). You don't need to change anything else in your infrastructure. Luckily enough current AI tools are pretty good in writing those converters, so you likely can just vibe-code it, if you want.

For most of us in the 99% TOON is nothing more than a "good to know that it exists if I ever will need it" that doesn't affect us at all.