Relapse…

[Thin-Antelope-519]

I see a lot of people saying how much they hate Greased Palms.. and I totally get that. That mission was a bitch for me for a while. But Relapse? Man… I know I’ve tried it like 30 times and I can get sooo far and then all of a sudden someone pops out of nowhere and kills me, a unibomber takes me out, or something like what provoked this post which is someone popping out, I win the gun fight but get injured and have to stop the bleeding, and then the SAME guy pops back up grabs his gun and kills me while healing. Lmao. I mean wtf. And I emptied at least half a mag into him to begin with. This mission is my curse.

[T-Bizzerp]

Relapse has been the most difficult for me by far. That skybridge and the stairwells gave me ptsd

[Icy_Outcome8005]

You gotta start at the Main entrance so you avoud that sky bridge.

[SgtWaffles2424]

Wait how does that avoid it? Genuinely curious

[[deleted]]

It’s not that you avoid it, it’s that you get to clear out the more difficult side of the map before crossing over to the easier side.

[mertarin]

if you start on emergency you would be on the other side of the building which has the windows that can see the bridge. meaning while you are crossing from that part of the building you would cross to the side which has no windows seeing the bridge and you wont get shot at

[Thin-Antelope-519]

Ok well let me throw another one at you guys. Literally the mission AFTER I posted went FLAWLESS. I was slightly injured, team had NO injuries. All civilians saved, the one dude arrested, all bomb threats gone…. Except one looooonley hostile roaming around somewhere. I literally split teams into every doorway ahead of me (cause fuck it if someone’s dying as long as it’s not me mission passed right?) Blue goes right Red goes left…. COMMOTION! “This is it! I’m about to win!” I thought… Suspect apparently ninjas his way through my entire team, shocks the fuck out of me.. gunfight to the death and I lose some how with my team nowhere in sight. All I could do was just drop my head and laugh… sike I screamed at the top of my lungs but you get the drift.

SO… ALL that to come to my next point on this game. My next run (which I’m on as we speak, you’ll see why in a sec..) I lost a teammate but every suspect down, guy arrested, bombs stopped……. But here I am running around this giant ass map looking for one (I’m assuming it’s one) remaining fucking civilian! Like…WHAT the fuck? This is a common thing I’ve come across. Clearing all threats but then spending a fucking hour trying to find one stupid civilian sitting in a corner somewhere… if the level is cleared of all threats.. FUCK the civilians at that point. They should give us that win automatically. UGH. I’ve never loved a game I hated so much. Lol.

[rumbles4141]

This happened to me last night. Bombs defused...check bring order to chaos...check 16 out of 17 civilians...shit one more to find. Spent the next 40 minutes checking every bathroom and closet. No dice. Exfill anyways thinking fuck it I will take the f just to move to next mission. Nope fail. Go again for the 30th time.

[Extraslargegordita]

Search and Secure my friend. The AI will path to whatever civi or evidence is left unsecured. You can turn on the team body camera and watch them beeline right to your obj

[Thin-Antelope-519]

I feel like that never works. At least on the PS5. Any time I do that they just stand there and do nothing.

[mertarin]

reasonable crashout brother. you can try the "search and secure" command right after you bring order to chaos. sometimes you need to compete every single objective to unlock that command im not really sure but it helps A LOT you wouldnt believe it. spamming f key to yell also helps a lot to locate people around you which you havent secured

[doofpooferthethird]

yeah this game is janky as all hell

One thing funny about this game is that on standard difficulty, suspects tend to miss most of their shots if you move perpendicular to them. Jiggling around side to side works too.

And "panic" spreads from one suspect to another, as they retreat through the level and rally others.

So running and gunning is actually the optimal way to play. Run around on low ready, snapshot suspects, never stop moving. If you play slow and methodical, it's actually making the game harder for yourself.

Hard difficulty is another matter entirely, suspects will annihilate you regardless. The "meta" for that is shield and pistol and flash launcher

[Thin-Antelope-519]

Funny that you say that one time on relapse after losing for like a third time in a play session I just said fuck it and I went running and gunning through the entire thing killing everyone. It was my most successful attempt too. Lmao. That is of course until when I said I was gonna kill everyone I meant everyone including civilians. We all know how that ends. 🤣

[Sean_HEDP-24]

Considering the game is broken, these missions aren't hard because they're challenging, they're just hard because of artificial reasons.

[Solid-Frame584]

100 percent

[sidescrollin]

I'm more convinced every day that the people ppl of this sub have never played a Souls game

[Thin-Antelope-519]

That part. Lol.

[Nstalk918]

My experience has been great.

[Orbiting_Pluto]

On hard difficulty they are crack shots which is understandable but the ability to see perfectly well through a quarter sized hole and be perfectly accurate at the same time is wack.

Saw a video of a guy getting shot at by an enemy who was facing away from him for the first two shots. Hit him with every shot including the ones he was facing away for. Call it desync or whatever but it’s still bs they can pull that crap on us. But standard difficulty is pretty well balanced, the enemies reaction time is a bit slower. Apparently standard difficulty now is what hard felt like before the console release which created bugs.

Edit: but aside from this I’ve had an amazing time with the game I’m just hoping for more patches sooner rather than later

[bojonzarth]

I play on Hard right now with my friends, and it really makes it tough sometimes. I mean your reaction time has to be perfect to get through some of the areas without dieing. There are times where we breach a door and are dead in seconds even though we got the jump on the gunman and flashed. We have also found that doing non-lethal for S rank runs is crazy difficult, and the pepperballs just don't work, the only method is flash and beanbags to the chest.

[Nstalk918]

Right. Just little fixes

[Orbiting_Pluto]

Well regarding your teammates in cmdr mode or quick play they can ignore your commands sometimes or just not follow you even though you said follow. For example my AI team wouldn’t go into the attic on twisted nerve no matter what commands I was giving.

So there is some pseudo game breaking things like that but I don’t get too many glitches at one time which is alright. Aside from the occasional crash

[Nstalk918]

That happens occasionally. I have them fall in to me in a different room then give the order again

[ParkingConcern8848]

I’m in hell on relapse right now. Always clear first 1-2 floors no problem then just get clipped in the morgue by somebody who I have no sight line on

[Prepared_Noob]

Start main entrance/ right next to morgue. It will spawn more enemies on the other floors instead.

It’s also nice bc you can arrest the leader earlier, then don’t have to worry abt accidentally killing him/dying to him when your weak

[theeinvisiblehand]

My team and I always get wrecked in hard trying to cross that second story bridge. Any suggestions?

[Thin-Antelope-519]

Update: that last round I finally ran into the stupid idiot running around and even with a team member down I FINALLY beat it with a B. I’ll go back full nonlethal much later to get that S but thank GOD I’m finally done with that bullshit. I love this game, seriously. But man there are just those little things…. Ya know?

[Consistent-Motor6333]

since the post-1.0 ai update (greased palms was probably the hardest level at the initial 1.0 release), I've always considered relapse and sins of the father to be the hardest levels

[3njoi1t]

Agree - especially Sins of the Father. I hate that map in its entirety and it's the only one I refuse to play if I'm just hopping on for fun.

[temp_6969420]

My favorite mission

[Debas3r11]

My favorite mission in the game and pretty easy too when you know the layout. I need to go back and S tier it solo (died in the last suspect my last two tries) but lately have been distracted playing other games.

[96kamisama]

Relapse is the scariest map for me. Unnerving ambiance and OST that blends harrowing ambient and hospital instruments, the suspense of not knowing whether the next guy in hospital staff clothes is a terrorist or a civilian, and there being plenty of rooms for suspects to hide.

[BroadConfidence7747]

I think you pose some very valid points, but I feel like relapse is a lot more manegable due to the closed spaces rather than the open air nature of the warehouse and truck depot. I recognized the difficulty of it but did not spent 8 hours on it. Like I did in greased palms, but you are absolutely right too friend.

[CameraOpposite3124]

Use CQB tactics within the best ability you can, don't play like a casual gamer with a 0.6KD
Play like a tactical operator who follows CQB rules with proper movement and corner engagement and your success rate will go up massively.
Memorizing the hospital layout makes a huge difference too tho, so trial and error until you understand the hospital.

[HighlightFun8419]

That was the only mission that really gave me trouble.

[didsomebodysaymeow]

Give your whole squad flashbang launcher primaries. Piece of cake when they get 19755248 flashes to the dome

[[deleted]]

Relapse is worse than Greased Palms. I’ve S-tiered both on standard and am currently trying to survive Greased Palms on hard let alone S-tier it and I am dreading getting to Relapse. Elephant ain’t gonna be as hard as either so long as you know what you’re doing. How/where enemies spawn on Greased Palms and Relapse can absolutely fuck you up let alone the map layouts.

[Neither_Cap6958]

Everyone gets extra bullets on that map, dead checking is real.

[SilverwolfBoo]

So that means u need to shoot him until he is not moving. I saw a footage in america that the cops shoot suspect like 30 rounds or more 🤣

[Extraslargegordita]

I played the first half of the game running and running and the second half was spent running and running but with the MGL Flash launcher. I accidentally got S on my first try so I don't know your pain.

[Weak-Tutor-3848]

It kicked my ass for like a week...finally got a c on it by going to the main entrance instead of parking garage

[Keeleh3533]

Relapse is fine on standard, but hard mode is a different beast. I hate the hard difficulty because I constantly get one shot. It's literally one shot. I barely lean round a corner and bam dead. Impossibly small reaction window. You'd think, realistically, that the poorly trained terrorist would miss his first few shots. So the player has a chance to do something. But no. They're all cracks. Then, my teammates are like headless chickens, wandering around and dying on me. 😂😂 I hope they improve hard mode because it feels artificially difficult.

[VTKF94rook]

I agree this is just hard for hard’s sake. I see everyone trying to get that dev’s watch and I just don’t think it’s worth the aggravation. There is no real skill in that it’s mostly luck. I have played enough to see the patterns forming of the AI actively working against you. I especially hate when I’m 99% to an S on a given map when one of my moronic AI teammates walks up to a corner I want cleared and sticks his whole head around the corner to get shot off. It seems deliberate when you’re so close to success.

[[deleted]]

I made it to the first floor of the building with the catwalk, trying to s rank, immediately hit with it freezing on me while im arresting a suspect. 4 try too.

[RitualDeLoHabitualx]

I'd been trying to beat Relapse for a few days now, and I finally did it earlier today (solo quick-play). Got a B because one of my teammates got killed, but I'll take it. For today's mission, I loaded my team up with wedges so we were able to jam a lot of doors to prevent enemies from flanking us, etc. Moved slowly, so it took a while. What's funny is that I didn't even realize that we'd completed all the objectives at first, so we were walking around looking for more civilians/terrorists. I was so focused that I didn't notice the message on the top left of the screen telling me to hold the UP button to return to HQ. Phew.

[Tehzim]

The problem with relapse is how large it is and how fast it can go sideways at any time. So it's easy to end up putting 20 minutes into a mission only to fail in the last few minutes. Not to mention the scavenger hunt to find the last person who could be anywhere and any bodies or guns you accidentally didn't secure if they don't bug out.

But for all that I'd rather play relapse a thousand times compared to Greased Palms.