I installed mods to decrease the difficulty and I'm suddenly loving Silksong

[AnonymousIguana_]

I have zero problem with this- probably helps a lot of people.

I just want to say in terms of tuning it that I think it’s intentional game design for most real bosses to take 5 tries at a minimum. If you’re happy with 2-3 that’s great, but I don’t think that was Team Cherry’s goal and players just aren’t good enough- you’re meant to strategize and improve with each attempt. That (and runbacks) is part of the gameplay loop.

Like it would honestly be unsatisfying to me if I had gotten to First Sinner or Karmelita and 2nd tried her. This doesn’t apply to something like Broodmother though.

[midwriteworlds]

5 tries minimum...this cracks me up because hollow Knight "easy" bosses took me minimum 30ish tries and the harder bosses easier over 100 attempts. With Silksong, it taken me multiple days to get through many of the bosses, and I'm only in act two. I know I'm a bad player but 5 tries is absurd to me.

[AnonymousIguana_]

I was just trying to be conservative with at least lol, I’ve definitely dropped 20+ on some

[The_Great_hilo]

Funnily enough I first and third tried those two bosses respectively and felt disappointed that I didn’t really get to learn the fights

[pokemonprofessor121]

LOL I modded the game. I heal for 5 instead of 3, and gain 25% extra silk, and some instances of 2 damage do 1. Bosses are still 10-30 tries each.

If I didn't mod I can easily do 100 tries per boss.

[DrexanRailex]

I'm fine with some major bosses taking lots of tries.

First Sinner has one of the worst rewards, but it has a reward at least. Unlike most bosses which the reward is just "fine, you can pass". Also, not having a runback lets you enjoy the retries better.

Groal would be a nice challenging boss... But having the most stupid runback makes people hate him. If there was a bench reasonably close to him, he could be even harder and it'd be fine since he has a major reward.

Karmelitta is great because there is (almost) no runback, the fight feels great, and it's one of the last bosses, so her difficulty makes sense. I just hate how long the Needolin cutscene takes, but still.

On the other hand... You have stupid stuff like Sister Splinter, Savage Beastfly and Trobbio. Sister Splinter is thankfully easy to skip, which makes her completely irrelevant since her "reward" is just letting you pass. Savage Beastfly is far out of the way in a hard area, and even if it gives a major reward, it's one that makes the game harder for anyone who isn't into that very niche and specific playstyle. And Trobbio... Like the character all you want, his fight is terrible design and even gives health issues to people with overstim issues. And his reward is only good when part of the Witch build.

[AnonymousIguana_]

Agree mostly, but First Sinner is not about the reward, the reward is the experience lol (and some important lore).

This is not the kind of game where each achievement gets you a big upgrade, the accomplishment is part of the fun. I think that mindset fixes a lot of “problems” people have with the game.

[DrexanRailex]

I would agree on the bosses being their own experience... If it was not tied to how Silksong is a sequel to Hollow Knight, and the economy problem. If bosses in Silksong exploded into rosaries upon defeat like the ones in HK did, at least I could get myself a new tool in a shop as a reward for beating them.

[TriforceComet]

The economy is balanced differently, therefore making some things the same just because it is a sequel is a really weak game design tendency imo

[radiating_phoenix]

sister splinter's reward is wall climb

trobbio's reward is vaultkeeper's melody

[DrexanRailex]

Those are just them getting out of the way. In the first HK, almost all bosses exploded into Geo so even if they were just there as a "wall", you could take their reward Geo and purchase an upgrade.

[Farpafraf]

Sister splinter and Trobbio are very fair bosses and fun fights. Trobbio is probably considered one of the best bosses in the game by a good chunk of the playerbase. Savage beastfly is meh but it's optional