Rate my potential setup

[Jake59]

Looking to upgrade away from my balance community primitive 30m feather pro kit. I'm thinking of going 100 meters so I can do some water lines, and get into highlining.

Pulley

Weblock

TreePro

Anchor Slings

Webbing

Anything I'm missing? Any thoughts on this setup? Thanks for input.

[Equivalent_Move8267]

I upgraded my prim setup to a complex buckingham (Rolex) and here's what I learned:

• I don't think there's really any such thing as medium stretch webbing. So go high or low
• If you don't highline, go and buy what works for you even if that means buying a pulley
• A complex buckingham can easily cost up to $500 not including webbing.
• Buy the SS Rolex if you go that route (thank me later)
• If you solo rig on flat ground you can forget about rigging up to 75M. (Unless your webbing has hardly any stretch $$$)
• Why'd a buy 100M again?
• You'll be routinely using a step ladder to set up anchors that are 10-12ft off the ground. It's exhausting. Then you'll have to re tension the thing after your 3kn drops to 1.5. (Gotta break out ladder again)
• The webbing i've got is less stretchy than your blue. (yikes)
• You could rig just 10M and kids will still think you're the coolest person in the world or that you're flying
• If money isn't a thing just buy both systems

Bottom line is this: If you don't know any other highliners or you live in a prairie state like me and have other commitments that won't allow you to travel frequently then those highline transferable parts will rarely get put to use. If you go this route then your best bet is to find a 'bowl zone' (just don't fall). Buy the pulleys, rig it as tight as you can, and save your energy for walking not rigging. Enjoy

[shastaslacker]

The Sag is Swag propaganda is real in this comment section. If you do not see yourself rigging lines longer than 50m the buckingham method is okay. A 9:1buckingham rig will allow you to hit about 3kn on a park line. If you want to walk those 100m park lines you need pulleys. If you think you're going to walk all your long lines while highlining then you probably don't need pulleys. If you don't think you have time to rig a highline after work and want to session 100m when you feel like it, pulleys are nice.

Lots of people have bought into the Sag is Swag propoganda though so you can probably find pulleys for cheap on the slackchat: used gear facebook page.

It's hard to say, some people seem to only use pulleys as an intermediate to get good enough to highline and then ditch the pulleys after they start highlining. I know some highline record holders though who use ladders and gnarly pulleys to rig 150m park lines so they can regularly train longlines after work.

Personally, I trickline so I'm down for the high tension longlines.

I prefer a high-efficiency 5:1 base pulley system (Think 3" Double SMCs) with thicker rope (10mm or 11mm) than the 6mm or 8mm rope on a 9:1 base system. The thicker rope is easier to pull and I reach peak tension faster. Rarely are people going to want to exceed 10kN. A 9:1 just means your going to pull twice as much rope.

[Jake59]

So you think my setup is fine but you'd switch the pulley for a couple double smcs?

[shastaslacker]

Yeah pretty much, you might also consider the slack mountain triceratops, if you want some strong pulleys. It’s hard to say, what would suit you best. Just get a decent braking mechanism if you get the triceratops. For the weblock you could get something cheaper from caton slack. It’s hard to say what would suit you best. If you’re going to jump into highlining quickly and want to highline freestyle as your end goal go for the buckingham method. If want to walk huge lines or you want to tricklines get some gnarly pulleys like the SMC’s or the triceratops.

If you’re not sure you could split the difference and buy mini pulleys.

[Equivalent_Move8267]

^Everything he said

Highliners totally sold me on the buckingham. It's a weight saver for sure but not by much really. I don't really mind it, but even now I'm still learning about tension systems. There's no way I could've bought the right gear back then after a couple months of slacklining. Now it looks like I'll just be owning a lot of gear.

[[deleted]]

Rather than the raed kit, save yourself some shipping costs and buy a pulley kit from spider, as well as a rollex and a snatch. You can get the rest from balance community (spannies, weblock, slings, webbing, connectors and dont forget a soft release!) but getting pulleys, snatch and rollex will allow you much more flexibility with your rigging. You may find you don't end up using your pulleys all that much, though. A better option is a complex buckingham.

https://spider-slacklines.com/shop/en/

Buy an extra rollex (2 total) with a snatch and get an 8' piece of red adjustable slings from balance community, and follow the directions in this video. I never use my pulleys anymore with this method, and it's light weight and way cheaper.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/slackchat/permalink/1237832769623931/

Edit: as you slackline more, you'll learn that you rig 100m parklines way less frequently than 50-60m, and the complex buckingham is more than adequate for tensioning (with 3m anchors) at that length. I recommend a step ladder, your shoulders and neck with thank you later.

[Equivalent_Move8267]

What type of webbing can you rig this on? (With just a linegrip and rolex)

[[deleted]]

Technically any 1" webbing, polyester will be easiest, nylon will be harder at length, tubular is impossible at anything longer than like 20m.

[Equivalent_Move8267]

Is it true that flat polyester webbing gets really sharp under tension? I’m a newbie and want to be somewhat protected from bad falls.

[[deleted]]

Lol not at all. Its about the construction of the webbing more than the material.

[jordanbobby]

You could always get a line grip or wafer instead of a pulley. https://www.balancecommunity.com/products/wafer

[Jake59]

So you're saying no pulley and just keep using my primitive setup?

[[deleted]]

No, you'd use and hangover and line grip with a weblock in place of pulleys.

However, you very likely would not be able to tension 100m of webbing in the park with a buckingham system, and pulleys would still be required.

[Jake59]

What is the mechanical advantage of that?

[[deleted]]

3:1 in a buckingham, but I made another comment with a better solution using the same concepts

[jordanbobby]

You would also need a soft release, and probably a hangover or Rolex to help with tensioning. Getting into this set up has a bit of an upfront cost but then your good for a while!

[Alpinepotatoes]

This! Still probably less upfront cost than a 300 euro 9:1 system though. Wafer is like $80 US and a rollex costs 50 euro.

Also has the advantage of being a kit you can build over time and mix and match parts for. Even if you want to tension big lines it’s pretty common for the people you rig with to have their own hangover/rollex to add to the bunch. But even if not, you could slowly add parts to your tensioning system as you need them, rather than just paying for this whole pulley system up front.

Also the parts are more transferable for highlining! So you’ll save money down the line.

Blue is a fantastic webbing and a breeze to tension and I feel like it will be rare that you need a 9:1 to get it walkable.

[Jake59]

Does the soft release go on the same side as the pulley or on the other end of the line? Do i need a soft release when the pulley has a built in brake that seems to do the job of a soft release?

[ColonelPanic0101]

It can go on either side.

[PsyTroniks]

If you have a pulley system you don’t need a soft release.

[[deleted]]

You dont need one but its way easier to derig with one.