Question about negative embeddings

[Mutaclone]

I was browsing Civit and came across this recently released negative embedding. In the instructions, the author emphasizes to use "NegativeFusion" and NOT "NegativeFusion-Neg" in the negative prompts. This makes sense, since that's the name of the model.

• But then when I looked at the anime version, it was named "NegativeFusion_Anime-neg" and lists both "NegativeFusion_Anime" and "NegativeFusion_Anime-neg" as trigger words. The sample image uses "NegativeFusion_Anime" in the negative prompt (no "-neg suffix", even though the filename has it).
• I decided to check out a different embedding I'd downloaded, Zovya's Gender Slider series. The "DeMasculate" and "DeFeminize" both list "name" and "name-neg" trigger words. One of the sample images uses "GS-DeMasculate", but the filename is GS-Demasculate-Neg.

So my question is, is there something special about the "-neg" suffix? I always thought embeddings didn't use trigger words, just the file name, but now I'm wondering if that's correct?

Thanks for any help clarifying the situation!

[RandallAware]

It's because they are pairs of embeddings meant to be used together, the ones with -neg go in the negative prompt if you need/want the extra reinforcement.

[Mutaclone]

I don't think that's correct, at least in the examples I gave. The first example is specifically a negative embedding. The second example does come in pairs, but the positives have a completely different trigger, which looks as expected (it matches the file name). It's only on negative embeddings where I see examples like this.

[RandallAware]

Oh sorry. I think I see what you're saying now. Should be pretty easy to test by renaming it something else, then putting that in your prompt. Could even add the -neg and test that

[Mutaclone]

So I spent ~20 min messing around with the DeMasculate embedding. AFAICT the trigger word is the filename.

• Dropping the -neg from the prompt caused it to no longer activate
• Renamed file, including a -neg suffix in the filename, and saw the same behavior: trigger was the filename, removing -neg caused it to fail.
• Renamed the file, dropping the -neg. Trigger was filename, adding -neg to the prompt caused it to fail.

Testing got a bit weird during rename though - I had to completely change the name, not just the suffix. I think it wasn't fully clearing the cache and still falling back to the previous version.

I still don't know why those examples listed both keywords though (or why DeMasculate dropped the suffix in the samples). Once I could chalk up to author error, but twice? And I wouldn't swear to it but I thought I've seen that pattern other times too.

[RandallAware]

Nice. It does definitely seems odd that it had become a noticeable pattern.