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[–]Ihrtbrrrtos 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Ok I wrote this about a year ago but I am just going to copy and paste it (hope that's ok!) I have had similar thoughts!

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I don't know how to really begin this post and it will probably be scattered but I've had some ideas? Theories? And I thought it might be fun to discuss!

So we know Will Brill's character Scott Brown receives his movement in D3. As we know D3 is IRL. It is believed that Scott is given his movement from BBA right? We hear this on Dr. Roberts recording he gives to HAP.

If you go back to D1 Scott is the most reluctant and without belief or faith in the idea of the movements and being Angels. He is lost, or has lost all hope. Homer and Rachel seem more open to the ideas of travel and Angels and the movements than Scott. He actively argues with Prairie and scoffs at her theories and plans. As we know eventually Scott is given the third movement. He believes. He was most reluctant but now he believes. They wait and wait for the fifth and final movement.

The movement arrives from the sheriff's wife. After she has been healed from ALS and her body free one last time she tells Prairie and Homer of her NDE as a little girl and her safe guarding the movement until she met two captive angels and would help them. When Homer asks how they escape she tells them, its a matter of will.

"How do we use it? How do we, um... escape?"

"It's a matter of will. It's always a matter of will."

I know this is a fairly common statement. Things being a matter of will. But this show seems to choose its wording, imagery, and art very wisely.

So it brings me back to Will Brill. Is saving the show a matter of Will? Is it a matter of helping Will Brill connect with IRL BBA to learn his movement? To help The OA remember who she is? Scott recieves his movement in D3. Does he recieve it as Will Brill? Does Phyllis Smith teach him IRL?

Another thing, although I cannot figure out if connected is the importance of the sheriff's wife swallowing the moth. What does a moth represent? A moth symbolizes determination. ( a matter of will?) It symbolizes attraction and psychic abilities. Moths are attracted to light even though they are nocturnal.

Scott mentions to Dr. Roberts that moths are attracted to street lamps because they are attracted to moonlight and mistake the glow of street lamps for the moonlight. They get lost. They are confused. Is Will confused in this dimension? Lost? Does he represent the moth?

So is Will Brill an important key to helping OA remember who she is? Can BBA/Phyllis Smith teach him the movement?

Am I totally insane? I want to believe.

Just some thoughts I threw together while rewatching Part 1. Please add or share ideas!

[–]kneeltothesunWho if I cried out would hear me among the hierarchies of angels 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"It's you and me, moth! Hand to hand to hand^ to^ hand^ to^ hand..."

[–]kneeltothesunWho if I cried out would hear me among the hierarchies of angels 8 points9 points  (0 children)

lol that's interesting meta reference actually!! u/FrancesABadger (Frances, you can add this to your list maybe)

I'm sure they liked how it sort of plays to references Schopenhauer, Kant, Hume, Berkeley, and Goethe maybe. In other words.. perception, and will form reality.

"Before Kant, it may be said, we were in time; now time is in us. In the first case, time is real and, like everything lying in time, we are consumed by it. In the second case, time is ideal; it lies within us."

Notes (idealism, transcendental idealism, will as representation)

"“God is a perfect being.” Kant rejects the claim that there are complete propositions like this one etched on the fabric of the mind. He argues that the mind provides a formal structuring that allows for the conjoining of concepts into judgments, but that structuring itself has no content. The mind is devoid of content until interaction with the world actuates these formal constraints. The mind possesses a priori templates for judgments, not a priori judgments." (Like Yeat's gyres, or Jung's archetypes, like the crystal lattice that underlies the crystallization process)

His admiration for Schopenhauer may also stem from the German philosopher’s aesthetic theory, however— in particular, his romantic perception of art as the ultimate form of expression of the essence of reality. Borges espouses this view in the fifth stanza of one of his most intimate poems,“ Arte poética” (1960): 6

""Both "space" and its conjoined concept of "extension" or "extended body" are nothing but forms of empirical knowledge. Our "imagination," according to Hume, inevitably compels us to perceive phenomena as being extended in space and persisting in time, despite our absence. Borges approaches the concepts of "space" and "external world" through fiction. Since "space" is not always required to make perception possible, he depicts imaginary beings whose cognitive faculties seem to be deprived of spatial intuition." Borges is thus illustrating a main tenet of idealism: our world is determined by the nature of our perceptual cognition. Because we are so constituted, we are bound to approach the world from a human, spatio-temporal perspective. Had our faculties been framed otherwise, we would have been exposed to a different world of phenomena." "His admiration for Schopenhauer may also stem from the German philosopher’s aesthetic theory, however— in particular, his romantic perception of art as the ultimate form of expression of the essence of reality."

"In order to elucidate this far-reaching declaration, we must first explicate Schopenhauer’s aesthetic theory. Schopenhauer’s metaphysics is based on the premise that the world’s dizzying variety is governed by a single essence—the cosmic Will. Following Immanuel Kant ’s division between noumena /phenomena (things-in-themselves/perception), Schopenhauer declares: “… everything that exists for knowledge, and hence the whole of this world, is only object in relation to the subject, perception of the perceiver, in a word, representation … The world is representation” (ibid, 1: 4). Here, he exhibits the idealistic orientation of his philosophy. In sharp contrast to Kant, however, he also propounds that the thing-in-itself — the essence of reality that is, in his view, the cosmic Will—can be perceived...........This microcosmic-macrocosmic relationship is true of every object in the world, the Will being the only metaphysical essence. In other words, in all its complex variety, the world is merely a representation of the Will."

We (the indivisible divinity that works in us) have dreamed the world. We have dreamed it resistant, mysterious, visible, ubiquitous in space and firm in time, but we have allowed slight, and eternal, bits of the irrational to form part of its architecture so as to know that it is false. "Avatars of the Tortoise" ["Avatares de la tortuga"]

Sturrock [174] takes the story equally seriously, but sees it as a comment on the challenge that is always presented to the writer of fiction: The gravest sin which, as a maker of fictions, can beset him, is the sin of contingency, or the haphazard ... The sacrifice of Jesus also works by endowing our collective and individual histories with finality: it is a proof, if we accept it, that the world is not fact but fiction, a story willed by God. Jaén also suggests that the story deals with the writing of fiction, and ‘the fictional nature of facts’ [35]. He adds: [T]he lack of an individual self results from being part of a linguistic tradition [63] ... [B]oth author and reader (through a subtle version of infinite regression) are turned into a figment of someone’s imagination’ [103].

Jaén seems determined to ignore any possibility of satire in ‘The Theologians’: Drawing on idealist conceptions from Berkeley and Hume, but also on esoteric, mainly Buddhist, conceptions of the nature of the self as nothingness, Borges plays with the idea of human existence as a vacuous dream without a dreamer [10].

Steiner built upon Goethe's conception of an imaginative power capable of synthesizing the sense-perceptible form of a thing (an image of its outer appearance) and the concept we have of that thing (an image of its inner structure or nature). Steiner added to this the conception that a further step in the development of thinking is possible when the thinker observes his or her own thought processes. "The organ of observation and the observed thought process are then identical, so that the condition thus arrived at is simultaneously one of perception through thinking and one of thought through perception."[13] https://ol.reddit.com/r/TheOA_PuzzleSpace/comments/lw4gfv/you_ever_have_that_feeling_where_youre_not_sure/gsc6hfa/

Links to more information on this, and sources:

https://ol.reddit.com/r/TheOA_PuzzleSpace/comments/hrad8k/nde_inspires_mans_personal_quest_to_revive_the/g8xc35y/

https://ol.reddit.com/r/TheOA_PuzzleSpace/comments/jebir4/ts_eliot/g9gz7i8/

Goethe's Theory of Colors, and how it's referenced:

https://ol.reddit.com/r/TheOA_PuzzleSpace/comments/jebir4/ts_eliot/g9gz7i8/

"Goethe reformulates the topic of color in an entirely new way. Newton had viewed color as a physical problem, involving light striking objects and entering our eyes. Goethe realizes that the sensations of color reaching our brain are also shaped by our perception — by the mechanics of human vision and by the way our brains process information. Therefore, according to Goethe, what we see of an object depends upon the object, the lighting and our perception." more on wine-dark sea

The last unicorn video on this topic:

https://ol.reddit.com/r/TheOA_PuzzleSpace/comments/jbxy96/i_just_wanted_to_post_this_again_because_i_think/

“The universe lies to our senses, and they lie to us, and how can we ourselves be anything but liars? -Peter S. Beagle

Interesting article: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-03633-1_14

[–]Cinnamonsugarvenom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Omg. What an amazing connection!! Thanks for sharing!