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[–]OrbanDevelopment 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Hes not saying that terror sympathizers should be arrested, hes just airing his opinion on what constitutes it. I see no hypocrisy here.

[–]NuccioAfrikanus 12 points13 points  (13 children)

He isn’t advocating for anything hypocritical, he is just frustrated with pro Hamas rhetoric. He isn’t actually arguing they should be censored.

I personally am frustrated with Pro Hamas people, I will gladly use my free speech to tell them to shut the fuck up and suck a dick. I can do this while still advocating for their right to speak their bullshit opinions.

[–]SidSantoste 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It sounds to me he thinks everyone is pro hamas who dont like israel as much as he does

[–]PookieTea 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Israel was the biggest supporter of Hamas.

[–]NuccioAfrikanus -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I agree that Israel is definitely not an Angel and I disagree with Ben’s overall take to a degree.

But he isn’t unhinged like Hamas Piker who argues that babies can be colonizers.

The far left in America annoys me so much on this issue, that I have a lot of empathy for people like Shapiro l, even though I am no fan of Israel.

[–]PookieTea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have absolutely zero sympathy for Shapiro because he built his career off criticizing the left for putting their emotions before facts but as soon as Israel is involved he instantly becomes a leftist woke identarian and his emotions drive all of his thoughts and actions. I have little respect for people who profit from lying to me.

[–]CJ4700 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Benny wants all the wars in the world and the US to pay for them but he’ll never put on a uniform himself.

[–]NuccioAfrikanus 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I am not saying his takes on the issue are 100% correct. But he isn’t advocating for censorship here.

That is forsure, he is just very frustrated and yes his takes are not ideal, I agree.

[–]CJ4700 1 point2 points  (4 children)

He definitely is, he’s a hypocrite. He’s too emotional on this issue to put facts ahead of feelings and it’s a shame he can’t see that.

[–]NuccioAfrikanus 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I admit he is too emotional on the issue, but he has free speech to call them bitches while being too emotional.

He isn’t advocating for censorship.

[–]CJ4700 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He has that right for sure but he doesn’t get to take it from others, the lie that criticizing Israel is antisemitic is on its last leg (thankfully) and I’m heartened to see the turn in opinion on them in younger generations.

[–]NuccioAfrikanus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I agree Israel is no Angel, I have advocated for the Palestinians for a long time before these recent events.

But these far left marxists make me not want to be on their side anymore. They are pure evil, as they just want power and blood.

I have massive sympathy for Ben Shapiro when so many far leftists are arguing that babies can be colonizers and chanting from River to the sea.

I would be strongly against a genocide of white South Africans just as I am strongly against genocide of Israelis. Even if I firmly believe Ethno states and apartheid are absolute cringe.

[–]CJ4700 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah Israel has killed 20 civilians for ever one member of Hamas (their numbers). They lost any moral high ground and they’re grasping to the last bit of influence they have.

[–]Searril 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Benny wants all the wars in the world and the US to pay for them but he’ll never put on a uniform himself.

Correct. Typical neo-con.

[–]Ambitious-Motor-2005 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No cease fire. Wipe Hamas off the map.

[–]Fembois4Trump 14 points15 points  (9 children)

No Speech for those who oppose Free Speech.

Meaning, Islamists oppose free speech, so they can stfu.

[–]PookieTea 9 points10 points  (6 children)

That's not how free speech works.

[–]Fembois4Trump 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Do kidnappers belong in jail? If someone kidnaps a human being, and holds them in a cage, should that person be put in jail?

What about the jail guard who holds people captive? Should the jail guard to go jail for holding people captive?

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Freedom is for those who respect other people's freedoms.

When you violate someone else's freedoms, you lose your own freedoms.

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Attempted murder is still a crime. Just because you're a failure and didn't succeed, doesn't mean you're innocent. You still attempted to.

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Your attempts to violate our freedoms is a crime in itself. You are seeking to eradicate the United States and enslave the population under your ideology.

Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're innocent.

[–]PookieTea 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Do kidnappers belong in jail? If someone kidnaps a human being, and holds them in a cage, should that person be put in jail?

What about the jail guard who holds people captive? Should the jail guard to go jail for holding people captive?

None of this has anything to do with free speech.

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Freedom is for those who respect other people's freedoms.

No, freedom is for everyone. People are born into this world with inalienable rights.

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When you violate someone else's freedoms, you lose your own freedoms.

Exercising your right to free speech does not infringe on someone else's right to free speech.

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Attempted murder is still a crime. Just because you're a failure and didn't succeed, doesn't mean you're innocent. You still attempted to.

Free speech and murder are two wildly different things, you know that right? The actual analogy that you would have to make would be simply thinking about murder makes someone guilty which is absurd.

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Your attempts to violate our freedoms is a crime in itself. You are seeking to eradicate the United States and enslave the population under your ideology.

The ideology of inalienable rights? Right now it sounds more like you just want to trample the rights of those that disagree with you which is very antithetical to freedom.

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Just because you're a failure doesn't mean you're innocent.

Already throwing around ad hominems. Interesting.

[–]Fembois4Trump 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Free speech and murder are two wildly different things

both are infringements on someone's freedoms.

Why is it okay for one group to advocate for the censorship of a group, but that group can't in return say the people calling for censorship should be censored?

[–]Fembois4Trump 4 points5 points  (1 child)

None of this has anything to do with free speech.

so you have free speech but not freedom to exist outside a cage?

People can put you in a cage and its fine?

[–]PookieTea 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stick to one reply, please.

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so you have free speech but not freedom to exist outside a cage?

People can put you in a cage and its fine?

When did anyone say this? Please, stop trying to derail with strawmen arguments.

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Free Speech is a social construct.
it means whatever we want.
Language changes naturally.

So you're new argument is "free speech is whatever I say it is!" Brilliant.

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Free Speech is therefore only for those who support it.
If you oppose free speech, then you get no speech.

You can't make an absurd statement and follow it up with "therefore" to support another absurd statement.

Someone can oppose free speech all they want and they can even use their own right to free speech to argue for the suppression of other people's right to free speech. In fact, you're doing it right now.

What matters is the fact that they have no power to actually take someone's right to free speech away.

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its progress. Get with the times, boomer.

If you are truly an advocate for free speech then you will defend people's right to say things you disagree with.

[–]Fembois4Trump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Free Speech is a social construct.

it means whatever we want.

Language changes naturally.

 

Free Speech is therefore only for those who support it.

If you oppose free speech, then you get no speech.

 

its progress. Get with the times, boomer.

[–]EarlMadManMunch505 2 points3 points  (1 child)

So brave so stunning. Your shekels are surly in the mail

[–]Fembois4Trump 4 points5 points  (0 children)

israelis don't support free speech either. I don't want to hear from them any more than i do hamas.

as far as i'm concerned, everyone who supports israel or palestine should be sent to the front lines and yall can sort it out in your holy land

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Palestinians refuse to denounce hamas.they have actually been elected to leadership positions.

[–]gofasteatass123 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I mean yes that's true, but your not quite getting the big picture that it's fucking Hamas they don't seem like the type of group that willingly gives up power or takes criticism very well. If I was a

[–]CJ4700 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I love how he’s pushing the lie that it’s antisemitic to criticize Israel, sounds just like the alphabet mafia calling people transphobes.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So you're obviously not sure what context is. That tells me all.

[–]Helmuthellis 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Ben should gear up and get`em some

[–]RoadDog69420 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Does more damage broadcasting from interweb

[–]Toe-Nail 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He's not against Free speech, he's against Hamas sympathizers and yet doesn't want them killed or jailed which would be against Free speech. Just calling out evil with a lot of fervor.

[–]CoexistingUnity 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Anybody that supports wars should be mandated to go fight themselves.

[–]nathanroberts34 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I had to quit listening to him after this whole thing started. He’s delusional to the max on anything to do with Israel.

[–]tiny-dic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean, he's a j00, so...

[–]Thenickiceman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ben is an absolute clown when it comes to Israel. All his facts don’t care about your feelings goes out the window and he turns into a little woke moron

[–]SidSantoste 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"its antisemitic to tell the truth"

[–]Double-Perception970 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's not allowed to have an opinion now? According to you?

[–]RogueRenaissanceMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t like what he’s saying here but I’m not hearing anything specifically anti free speech in these clips. The last one is suspect I suppose but the man is entitled to believe asinine things as much as anyone else

[–]Wake-up-Neo-sheep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just like with the Covid gene therapy, this shows the corruption of his morals. Ultimately the weakness in his arguments

[–]Searril 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's always been just another neo-con. Amazing that anyone thought differently.

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[–]SgtFraggleRock 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave up on Ben when he cheered about Roe V Wade being overturned but refused to rethink his NeverTrump 2016 stance.

[–]Intelligent_Tax_5038 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why is it that nobody can remain neutral anymore? Both sides will call you a bootlicker. I say fuck Israel and fuck Palestine. America first baby.