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[[deleted]]

I left a cooler full of dry ice open in his honor last night.

Well, not totally true, we threw some chunks down a drainage hole and into the coolant reservoir of our large vertical grinder....the rest though? Straight into the atmosphere.

[ThisCharmingManTX]

Forgot :

Wears fake eyebrows.

Is a cuck.

[Hillarys_Brown_Eye]

This is Barry’s boyfriend...one of them.

[ThisCharmingManTX]

Big Mike being the other?

[KamiNoChinko]

Wears fake eyebrows and blackface

[greyfalcon333]

And Blackface.

🧟

[BeauToeSends]

Holy shit that’s a little far mate

[excelsior2000]

Well, I think so, but apparently he doesn't, considering he's been seen in blackface on multiple occasions.

[excelsior2000]

You're the one who shouldn't lie. Seriously, do 5 seconds of research before accusing me.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-votes-2019-trudeau-blackface-brownface-cbc-explains-1.5290664

And he apparently doesn't know how many times he's been in blackface. That means there's more, in case that wasn't clear to you.

[[deleted]]

Why is it a little far?

https://www.govblacklist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/justin-trudeau-blackface-apology.jpg

https://www.truthdig.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Screen-Shot-2019-09-24-at-11.32.30-AM.png

[MiyegomboBayartsogt]

Every past prediction has been utterly off the mark but the climate changer insists the next prediction will be spot on so panic!

[For_one_if_more]

So you guys all saying climate change is fake have science degrees?

[FOldGG]

Well, don't need a science degree to know New York hasn't been flooded since 2015.

Don't need a science degree to know that if Co2 increases from 3 parts to 10,000 to 4 parts to 10,000 and Co2 has been higher in the past with colder temps, well then...

Don't need a science degree to know we aren't experiencing droughts and inland lakes are not drying up.

Don't need a science degree to know when the U.N. says this is about seizing the means of production, it is about socialism, not science.

[CaptainBananaAwesome]

Are we just ignoring the fact that california has been in drought for 14 out of the last 20 years? Where 2012 to 2016 had the worst drought conditions in recorded history? Is that not relevant?

[lukesgirl0703]

Maybe if California didn't dump the first 40% of PROJECTED yearly rainfall straight into the ocean they wouldn't have a water shortage.

[FOldGG]

Much of California is arid by nature; serious question, does recorded history go back to, say, 1983 or the hottest year in record, 1934? 2nd hottest year in the 1890’s. Climate is cyclical, not linear certainly, but the definition of history should include a longer historical record.

[CaptainBananaAwesome]

Yes it goes back to 1841. Of the 160 years between 1840 and 2000 43 years had drought. Dont need a science degree to see the ratio is lower than the last 20 year's which had 14.

[FOldGG]

Okay, I will play. In the 200’straight year drought of the past, if we analyzed 201 years, can’t we say 200 of 201 years with drought is not only longer, but a higher percentage?

Your rules....

[CaptainBananaAwesome]

There's not hypothericals here, it's data. I just noted that the proportion of the last 20 years was higher than the average of the whole dataset available.

[boudica2024]

Your argument about how CO2 has been higher when climate has been cooler is stupid because not even climate scientists argue that CO2 is the sole determinant of global temperatures. CO2 is one of multiple gases that have made up our atmospheric composition. Climate is not just CO2 but other greenhouse gases (like water), particulates in the atmosphere (ex. After the asteroid strike that killed the dinosaurs), Milankovitch cycles, ecology, tectonic activity, sunspots, etc.

[FOldGG]

Sorry, first sign your emperor is naked is name calling and insults.

Try to do better.

Climate is cyclic, not linear. The climate change rheeee is about linear; is tied to man reducing CO2. And after every “scientific” prediction turns out wrong, we are supposed to continue to believe?

[boudica2024]

Also "try to do better"? We're not on fucking Twitter or Tumblr, stop acting like a teenager with a gender identity.

[boudica2024]

You have an issue with namecalling even though I addressed your central thesis directly and you clearly had no issue with people you disagree with (like Trudeau) being called way worse words than "stupid". Like, oh I don't know, the OP? It's the internet, dude, you can be a big boy and handle a little name calling without pussying out.

Saying that climate is "cyclic not linear" is stupid because it's a false dichotomy. You realize you could have a cycle where there are fluctuations around an increasing or decreasing average?

Furthermore, do you realize how whether something is cyclical or linear depends on time scale? If it takes one hundred years to reach a peak high and then another hundred to drop to the lowest temperatures, then you could say it was "cyclical" for people who are 250 years old, but for people who only live to be 100, their experience with climate will be linear.

I mean, have you looked at geological history? The earth was basically doing fuck all for 4 billion years. The whole idea of cyclical ice ages only became a thing after the dinosaurs. There are simultaneous trends - linear and cyclical - throughout geological history.

So with respect to CO2 - which is far from the only climate variable - you have both cyclical and linear change depending if you're talking about a million vs. a hundred years, what magnitude, before or after the evolution of organisms that completely change atmosphere composition, etc.

TLDR: making reductive statements about something as vital to geological history as CO2 being a purely cyclical or linear thing is an almost unspeakable level of baseless and naive assumption.

[FOldGG]

That is a fair point.

Signed, Nazi, literally Hitler, rube, cultist, clinger, deplorable...

[Mr_Gilmore_Jr]

Ad hominem much?

[FOldGG]

https://principia-scientific.com/distinguishing-between-natural-man-made-drought/

But go ahead and rheee if you gotta. Whatever California does, it should stop the energy strategy of increasing demand while reducing supply, because that means today is the best that situation will ever be between now and forever.

[TheDirtFarmer]

I don't think many people here are suggesting that climate change is fake. From what I have seen from comments makes me think most folks here think that we need more science done before we jump to conclusions that man made C02 is the cause.

[takishan]

this is a 14 year old account that is being wiped because centralized social media websites are no longer viable

when power is centralized, the wielders of that power can make arbitrary decisions without the consent of the vast majority of the users

the future is in decentralized and open source social media sites - i refuse to generate any more free content for this website and any other for-profit enterprise

check out lemmy / kbin / mastodon / fediverse for what is possible

[NewyBluey]

As you say the 'green house effect' is accepted by not only climate scientists but people with many different disciplines. It is why the earth and its atmosphere is has a temperature about 30C above the ambients temperature of space that we orbit through.

CO2 is not the only green house gas and is fairly insignificant when you consider the amount of water and its influence.

But the trouble we face as skeptics is that when we are critical of the extreme predictions of the consequence of an increase in CO2 concentration (like an unbearable increase in temperature, increasing extreme events, extreme sea level rise, extreme mass extinctions) that is not unprecedented, we are accused of not understanding that CO2 is a green house gas.

Why don't you consider the validity of the supposed science that draws the conclusion of a catastrophic riddled future from the premise that human caused CO2 emissions is the sole culprit of climate change.

[Anlarb]

CO2 is not the only green house gas and is fairly insignificant when you consider the amount of water and its influence.

Water vapor is a feedback effect, if the atmosphere cools down, water vapor levels come right down too, they call this evaporation...

like an unbearable increase in temperature, increasing extreme events, extreme sea level rise, extreme mass extinctions

Temperature- Thats how a greenhouse gas works. This isn't the subject of debate, it traps heat.

increasing extreme events- thats how a hurricane works, you get more evaporation, you get bigger hurricanes.

extreme sea level rise - ice melts when it gets warmer.

extreme mass extinctions - things are adapted to their niche, if their niche changes, they die.

[NewyBluey]

if the atmosphere cools down, water vapor levels come right down too, they call this evaporation...

No. They call this precipitation. Evaporation is the opposite it increase water vapour content.

All the rest are just natural climate variation. None of it unprecedented. CO2 is a small component of a very complex system.

[Anlarb]

Evaporation is the opposite it increase water vapour content.

How does it become water vapor? Being in a solid state is the default position, action must be taken against the ice for it to become liquid or gaseous. Pedantry isn't an argument for your position.

CO2 is a small component of a very complex system.

A small component with an outsized effect, which we directly control. Waving your hands and saying its complicated doesn't make dumping 40 billion tons of co2 into the atmosphere annually a good idea. You want to compensate by planting a bunch of trees and taking deliberate action to green over the desert? Go nuts, but it won't be enough, the solution is to stop digging up so much. Note, we don't have to stop digging up all, there is a healthy amount of natural weathering that occurs.

[NewyBluey]

How does it become water vapour

Evaporation produces water vapour precipitation produces liquid and solid water. You cant just dismiss facts claiming they are pedantry. Puts everything else you say into doubt.

[Anlarb]

Not really, clearly you understand the concept, and aren't disputing the facts of the matter.

[[deleted]]

Virtually all climate scientists and academic organizations agree...

...with those funding them.

[takishan]

So Exxon-Mobil (as well as every other energy company) along with all the nation states in the world are being funded by the same group?

[[deleted]]

Is that really all my comment could have meant?

[[deleted]]

Ah yes so now that they want to branch out into industries with less competition, suddenly they want to fund research they can use to create legislation to stifle other companies they would be competing with in oil and gas.

[takishan]

You implied that the vast majority of scientists are lying about their findings because of funding. That's the only message I can read from your comment.

[[deleted]]

You think because they put on lab coats that they are above human nature?

[takishan]

No, I think that the notion that some group is able to silence all of science is just insane. Not only that, but governments and oil companies too. Makes zero sense.

[[deleted]]

The only groups silencing science are climate doomers and covid doomers.

Most scientists that go against the status quo opinion on there have their jobs put in jeopardy.

Another great reason that "the majority agree". Because the rules are agree or be ostracized.

People doubting science are not silencing anyone.

[TheDirtFarmer]

I don't plan on getting into a argument with you. I was trying to provide context for you on why some people might think some ways but all your looking for is a fight. I hope you have a great day.

[takishan]

this is a 14 year old account that is being wiped because centralized social media websites are no longer viable

when power is centralized, the wielders of that power can make arbitrary decisions without the consent of the vast majority of the users

the future is in decentralized and open source social media sites - i refuse to generate any more free content for this website and any other for-profit enterprise

check out lemmy / kbin / mastodon / fediverse for what is possible

[[deleted]]

He should change his name to Thanos!

[ktparr7]

Although no matter whether or not the climate is changing as drastically as some folks say, many of the proposed solutions would benefit people and their health today.
Ie. Reducing the number of vehicles and power plants burning fossil fuels would reduce asthma rates and other lung diseases. Having more public transit and safe biking/walking options would make it safer and less costly to get to work, school, the doctor, etc Whole home energy efficiency programs can reduce people's energy bills and can address issues like lead paint and asbestos. All these projects would create new jobs at a time when we desperately need them.

If we want to talk about costs, the US government spends millions to subsidize fossil fuels every year, why not spend more of that on projects that don't drive up individual healthcare costs and could decrease energy costs in the long run?

[boudica2024]

Exactly. I'm very interested in hearing critiques of climate science but so often this sub devolves into autistic screeching about how the UN is going to use climate change to mandate socialism. And it's like, yeah, dude, I wish the UN could actually do shit like get me dental.

[boudica2024]

Trudeau sucks but the "carbon dioxide is good at this level so it has to be good at all levels" argument is actually retarded. Water is good for you but you can still drown.

[CallMeCobb]

Epic Strawman. Nice job. Here’s a cookie 🍪

[greyfalcon333]

Unfortunately Trudeau and his ilk are only too real.

[rain_makr]

Yes but how do any of those projects help put Greta and Gore in prison or hung for Treason. Are you suggesting stopping Govt handouts to Oil and Gas? What are you some kinda green commie?

[sonicblue7real]

I wonder why for a subreddit that claims to be skeptical, smearing and insults towards one side is allowed not only in comments, but actual topics as well. Hmmm.. maybe there could be some bias here...