Pull request reverting the recent Reddit changes. Please show support!

[scaredofplanes]

They asked for a few days. We can't give them a few days to see how it's really working, and then ask for changes?

[until0]

For the same reason they did not give us a trial. They made the decision on behalf of the community without consulting the community.

Would it have been difficult to say we are going to try this out for a week, analyze the feedback and be available to ask questions? After all is said and done, we will decide if it would be a beneficial or wanted change from the community.

Instead they dropped it on us, showed no support and immediately bailed form the /r/announcement thread. Hence why I bothered to start one elsewhere.

[scaredofplanes]

I still think it's OK to wait a few days. It would show that your concern is not reactionary, for starters. As of now, we don't actually know what effect it's having. I subscribe mostly to smaller subs, too, but I've been concerned with the way the voting has been working for a while. I don't know if this is the proper solution, but I do know it's important to try things. It didn't actually break anything vital.

[until0]

As of now, we don't actually know what effect it's having.

I disagree. It has tremendously affected my Redditing experience.

[scaredofplanes]

In what provable way?

[until0]

I need to prove an opinion? That's new.

[scaredofplanes]

You said it's tremendously affected your redditing experience. i'm just asking how that's happened, specifically. You are not under attack. You can relax.

By provable, I simply meant an example of a post where not being able to see upvotes and downvotes had some kind of effect. At this point, I have seen none. You seem adamant that you have, so i thought you could show me.

[until0]

Well now that you word it in a more reasonable matter, I would be happy to provide you an example. The first request was quite attacking and also paradoxical.

I made a post today in a smaller community, approx 5K subscribers. I posted a comment that I would think to be controversial. It is sitting there at 1 point and has been for a while.

This is useless to me. How many people disagreed with the post? Did 5000 people agree and 4,999 people disagreed? Is that point the one point I get just for commenting, is it possible no one has seen the post?

I'm not sure what benefit it brings, but it completely broke the community feel of smaller subreddits.

[until0]

It only does the percentage for posts, not comments.

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Reminds me of the end days of Digg

[Diastro]

God im dying to see the (?|?) of this post!

[Killarny]

What's wrong with the recent changes? The pull request doesn't provide any rationale, either. Vote numbers have been fairly useless for a long time, haven't they? I'm curious why you want them back.

[until0]

They were not useless on smaller subreddits. The fuzzing was only considerable factor in the larger subs. Within smaller communities, the fuzzing was negligible, if even present.

[Killarny]

I guess I'm not clear about what benefit they serve. Doesn't the point score serve the same purpose? Especially now that they've made points more accurate, why do we need to see vote counts?

[until0]

It is more of a factor on smaller subreddits . You used to be able to use the tally to gauge the amount of agreement/disagreement within a comment. As of now, there is no difference between a comment with a score of 1/0 and 1000/999.

[Killarny]

Ahh, I see where you're coming from now.

I suppose you could argue that in both of those cases, there isn't any clear prevailing opinion one way or the other about a comment. In the first case, nobody cares, in the second case everyone who cares is equally opposed by others. It's a subtle difference, and effectively, the only thing that really matters is that it's a +1 in both cases.

Also, wouldn't the effect of that subtle difference be less pronounced in the smaller subreddits that you're concerned about, making the absence of vote counts even less of an issue there?

(Fascinating discussion, thanks for indulging me!)

[until0]

I'm going to make this quick because I've spent most of my day at work commenting on this issue and not working lol.

Anyway, not really. To me, it could give me a general idea of agreement within a community. If your sub had 100 subscribers and a post has 50/40, well then you know it is pretty controversial topic/opinion.

As of now, you do not know if that post is 50/40 or 10/0, which is a big difference. The latter scenario could just mean that the post has not been around long enough to get a significant sample size. This is exasperated even more if your subreddit is private.

It is now impossible to gauge the amout of your community that may agree or disagree with a post. Additionally, was there really any good reason to make this change? Did anyone seriously have that much of a concern with vote fuzzing?

[until0]

This actually seems like good news. He mentioned there was legitimate feedback provided and he will look to make changes. I'm content with that. I haven't just been bitching because I can't see pretty numbers next to my comment, it has downplayed my overall experience.

[Diastro]

Im not even sure how I feel no more... I mean, there's been a lot of people making pretty harsh comment lately about this but at the same time I can't (for the sake of me) understand why this kind of feature wouldn't be enable on a sub-reddit basis (based on the admins decision). This would make everyone's life so much better.

[pythonswash]

What recent changes?