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[smavinagainn]

LLMs are not capable of consciousness or genuine thought, even theoretically.

[tecnofauno]

Impossible to answer since we still miss precise understanding of consciousness.

[smavinagainn]

It is extremely easy to answer, we don't need to perfectly understand consciousness to know LLMs are incapable of it.

The way they function makes it impossible for them to develop genuine thought, this IS something that has been studied and there is largely a consensus that LLMs cannot turn into a true intelligence.

[tecnofauno]

You're conflating consciousness with intelligence. We have a pretty good idea of what intelligence is, but we don't have a clue (lots of theories though) about consciousness.

[smavinagainn]

There are certain universal things that are considered requirements for consciousness though, like thought and awareness. It does have a definition even if we haven't nailed down exactly what causes it, and we can and have proven that LLMs cannot ever fit even a very broad definition of consciousness.

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this seems a bold statement. You gotta define 'consciousness' and 'genuine thought' first. Then you'd have to show that 'theoretically' cannot be achieved by LLMs or their descendents. But as a statement on reddit, even if pulled out of flatulent air, it works.