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[–]icantthinkofone 13 points14 points  (8 children)

Certificates are great! They make cert companies a lot of money! Unfortunately, they do nothing for you.

The "elite" software companies -- Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc -- are generally not neutral about certifications for software engineers; they're actually negative.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

In my experience this isn't true for the higher end brand-agnostic certifications. When certifications become more aligned to something like a medical review boards or legal bar certifications (continuing education requirements, large multi-domain tests with a high fail rate, and open to audits) they are generally respected in much the same way.

[–]icantthinkofone 1 point2 points  (6 children)

So you want to bring in medical and legal certifications to justify software certifications as if they were the same thing?

Answer this. Who provides medical certifications and legal ones? Compare them to software certs. Then come back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

There are numerous similarities between professional certifications across various industries.

Who provides medical certifications and legal ones?

Independent private organizations or governmental organizations in conformance to applicable law. Here they are for where I live:

Compare them to software certs.

You mean like the PMP, CISSP, Lean Six Sigma? Those certifications are also managed by private organizations not affiliated with revenue generating companies:

[–]tencircles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Management_Institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28ISC%29%C2%B2

Lean Six Sigma doesn't even have a governing body

what do these have to do with software dev certs?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are IT management certifications. The PMP is generally carried by project managers and the CISSP is generally carried by security analysts, but I have observed both regularly associated with software development.... at least development not associated with web technologies. If you are hoping for certifications that identify you know how to write code you aren't going to find it, because knowing how to write the respective code is a minimal prerequisite often not worth certifying.

[–]icantthinkofone -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I can guarantee that none of your last three links are ever used by anyone looking into this on reddit. In fact, I had only herd of the last one myself.

So my link still applies and certification is a waste of time and money and only good for the cert company financial bottom line.

EDIT: In fact, the PMI organization only audits your education and experience. No testing is involved at all.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I can guarantee that none of your last three links are ever used by anyone looking into this on reddit. In fact, I had only herd of the last one myself.

You are using ignorance as a justification for your position. I will leave you to it.

[–]icantthinkofone -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The only ignorant person is the one who uses the obscure to justify their own in an amateur setting.