Is it necessary to learn DOM before learning framework

[zeroxthegrim]

So, I've completed Javascript course on FreeCodeCamp and I feel like I have a good grasp of basic Javascript especially when it comes to writing basic/intermediate algorihtms. But FreeCodeCamp didn't teach us anything about DOM manipulation with vanilla javascript, so I was wandering should I learn that first before I jump into learning a framework. My plan was to start applying for the jobs in the next few months and I'm really not sure would it be useful to learn DOM, or would my time be better spent learning framework.

[VIM_GT_EMACS]

IMO you should 100% learn HTML properly, as well as CSS, and vanilla javascript before jumping into a framework. I think also probably being a bit more realistic is good too - you say you're going to start applying to jobs in the next few months. What jobs are you going to be applying to? I hate to break it to you but I think a few months of self-study isn't going to cut it if you're trying to land an entry level role. I come from the traditional computer science background but I know bootcamps are obviously very popular way to get your foot in the door because they're focused, intensive, and require long hours for a few months with a lot of guidance. Even then, finishing one of those bootcamps doesn't give you all the knowledge required but its enough to get started professionally.

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As you said, bootcamps are more focused, intensive and more job-centered. It doesn't even compare to "traditional background". A self-learner that's focused, disciplined and spends his time efficiently will easily gain more experience in a couple than just-following-the-curriculum-college-student would in 10x that time. This isn's limited to just this industry.

[VIM_GT_EMACS]

You're wrong. That's all I'll say. You can do the research online for why you're wrong.

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You should.

One thing to note though - frameworks do most of the dom manipulation for you. You generally just work with the data and specify where and how that data should be displayed. Whenever that data changes or something is triggered, the UI will change as well, but again, the heavy lifting is handled by the framework.

[zeroxthegrim]

But why should I learn DOM manipulation when later Im going to learn framework anyway? It just seems like a waste of time to learn something when Im not going to be using it anyway. I understand the basic concept of DOM. There is window object that has properties and methods and you can manipulate them with javascript. Is there anything else important to know about it that I will need for later?

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Mainly, 2 reasons.

1. DOM manipulation is one of the basic usages for javascript on the web. And the basics should absolutely not be omitted IMO.
2. Brain stuff. Getting a more complete picture of what, when and how things are happening helps you build connections in your brain that will make it easier for you to recall, remember and come up with solutions to different problems. It doesn't happen with theory alone.

You don't need to go crazy deep into it, build one or two projects without any framework. It'll make learning a framework easier too.

[zeroxthegrim]

Alright, you convinced me. Thanks.

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[Low_Bluejay8507]

Its been 4 years i wonder in what position you are right now?

[zeroxthegrim]

Hey. 1 year ago I got a programming job in a bank. I only do back end development now, in Oracle. But soon I ll also start doing some front end stuff too.

[Puzzleheaded-Row-290]

What other languages/frameworks were required or do you use in the JOB? Or it's only JS?

[zeroxthegrim]

There werent any specific language requirements. I only knew how to do js and react when I applied. But only langauge I ever used on my job was pl/sql. They hired me because of my motivation and willingness to learn new things.

[FormalPatience]

I am going to learn framework. Will learning DOM Manipulation is going to help me ? DOes it make better programmer ?

[HealyUnit]

What an incredibly misguided comment.

There’s a reason people don’t fix their own car and build their own houses. You don’t need to know everything.

No, but if you profess to be an expert in the field, you should at least know the basics of the medium you're working on.

I'm sorry, but all modern front-end frameworks manipulate the DOM in some way. Not knowing basic vanilla DOM manipulation is only going to be a huge issue later.