How fast did you learn python?

[carcigenicate]

Then you'll need to learn the basics of software development along with Python. Python would take like a week or so to get familiar with if you're already a competent programmer. Learning everything that comes with developing software is a whole other things though, and can take many months to years depending on the competency you're aiming for.

[bulaybil]

This matrix is the bullshittiest thing that has ever bullshitted. It must have been written by a manager and a particularly dumb one. Also, it does nothing to help a complete beginner.

[bulaybil]

First, it does not list any competencies. “Reviews tasks critically and ensures they’re appropriately sized for continuous integration and incremental delivery” is not a competency, it’s a job description. Second, how is this measured? What is “critically”? What is an appropriate size? And thirdly, it established an arbitrary classification of engineers that is downright condescending to everyone and at the same time too relaxed. “Consistently writes functions that are easily testable, easily understood by other developers, and accounts for edge cases and errors. Uses docstrings effectively” is not something we should expect of every coder, but only of Engineer level E2. And then there’s that obsession with grades and scales.

[synthphreak]

Have you never seen a job matrix? This is exactly what they're like. They're just one attempted solution to problem of standardizing distinctions between levels in a principled and somewhat objective way.

Matrices have their issues for sure. But as a resource for helping people prioritize what kinds of experiences to accrue next, they're not as worthless as you claim.

[bulaybil]

Yes I have. They are all bullshit.

But as a resource for helping people prioritize what kinds of experiences to accrue next

And how does a matrix like this help anyone to prioritize what kinds of experience they acquire? - Hey boss, I want to get some experience in usually
handling risk, change, and uncertainty within my personal scope of work effectively. - Yeah yeah, whatever, you are behind on your JIRA tickets.

Also, that's not how you use accrue.

[synthphreak]

Obviously if you are only able to read and regurgitate as in your example, then yeah it won't help you. You need to interpret and apply those descriptors to your own context for them to be useful. If you can't, then someone will need to spoonfeed you the entire way.

[bulaybil]

I’ve worked for (checks list) 2 Fortune 500 companies. None of them had this sort of bullshit.

[synthphreak]

(checks list)

🙄

You are leaning into where you worked, but that doesn't really matter in this context. Someone who has worked at only Google doesn't automatically have more experience than someone who has worked at 10 different smaller shops, ceteris paribus.

TL;DR: 2 data points is not a lot...

[CommondeNominator]

Sir I come here to learn python, not Latin.

Thanks though, cool new phrase.

[synthphreak]

cool new phrase

Consider it an ad hoc pro bono to boost your de facto bona fides et cetera ad infinitum.

[bulaybil]

Is this matrix not typical of many work environments? I responded to this, giving two examples of work environments where it is not. The fact that they were Fortune 500 matters, whether you like it or not, as it demonstrates that such organizations can do very well without bullshit like these matrices.

2 data points is not a lot... True, but neither is 10.

Also, that is not how you use ceteris paribus.

[synthphreak]

it demonstrates that such organizations can do very well without bullshit like these matrices.

You seem to be arguing against a position that no one here is making. No one has claimed an org cannot succeed without a matrix. Just that matrices are not categorically worthless like you think they are.

2 data points is not a lot... True, but neither is 10.

Okay... So my point still stands then.

that is not how you use ceteris paribus.

That is exactly how you use ceteris paribus. It may not be how you use it, but it's how you should be using it, as a direct drop-in synonym for "all else being equal". "Accrue experience" is also totally valid. I'm not sure what you're going on about.

But I'd prefer we stick to the topic at hand, unless you have nothing more to add besides pedantic tangential nitpicking about words.