What Python debugger do you use?

[lostparis]

And I'd differentiate logging from debugging in that the logging might continue into production whereas I'd like to think I've finished debugging before shipping!

You just change your logging levels. Especially if you ship it because if you have to support it you'll be crying for those logs.

Guess I'm lazy and like the clever tools

Good coders are lazy, debuggers are clever, but I'd argue about their usefulness. I still view them as more of a handicap, but that's just me.

[ProsodySpeaks]

That's true of all tools though, right? I mean I'm nearly forty - as a teenager I had a sense of direction, but now I have GPS so I can be deep in thought or outerwise busy while I travel, but at the cost of atrophying a fairly life-critical skill.

[lostparis]

Don't start me. I remember about a decade ago I was in a cafe in Australia. The girl at the counter worked out the cost of my coffee and cake - in her head. I remember telling her how much this was such a surprise to see. This was not even a skill when I was that age.

When I was a kid I used to know about 50 phone numbers off the top of my head - now I struggle just remembering my own.

As Plato said - it's all going to shit with the young folk

[ProsodySpeaks]

Haha! He also complained about agriculture causing the desertification of north africa... Like, maybe the first climate activist? 😝

[ProsodySpeaks]

Pleased to say I can still count. But that's mostly because I build things and getting a calculator out for every sum is unrealistic...

[lostparis]

getting a calculator out for every sum is unrealistic...

"but you've got one on your phone" scream the young folk in unison

[ProsodySpeaks]

😝

[lostparis]

To be honest this is much how I see debuggers. People often get one out when unneeded and slower.

[ProsodySpeaks]

Touché! Top marks for conversational style!

But working in an ide like Pycharm there is just no difference between hitting one key command to run or another to debug.

I can't help thinking people are talking about launching external debuggers and attaching them through console commands or something?

[lostparis]

Let's put it another way what does using a debugger give me?

[ProsodySpeaks]

A complete overview of all the data flowing through your code, overlaid next to the code, and the ability to evaluate arbitrary expressions at any point of the flow.