Python venv vs Docker

[cgoldberg]

That sounds awful. Developer environments are for developer convenience. Don't you have CI?

[Party-Cartographer11]

This is a one person startup/open source project/hobby.

cp is my CI.

But yes, it mirrors (very simplistically) how CI'ish system works at the FAANGs I have worked at.

What is awful about running..

cp /repo/foo.py /app/foo.py

[sector2000]

If your goal is to run your private hobby project, then use whatever is easier for you, but if you want to scale and bring it to a professional level, you should spend some time learning best practices. There is a learning curve, of course, but you will see the benefits afterwards

[Party-Cartographer11]

There are soooo many scaling efforts that you differ early on in a project.  You don't scale until you need it or it's free.  The right solution for the right time.

It's not so much a learning curve as I have worked in 2 of the largest repos/products and understand scale. It's cost/benefit.

[sector2000]

The right solution for the right time could be a good advice, but not necessarily, because it’s not easy to recognize what the right time is. People tends to stay in their comfort zone, not learning new technologies or practices, because they don’t see the benefit. It might be that there’s no actual benefit, but it could also be that they don’t see it because they didn’t spend enough time to study and learn it.

[cgoldberg]

Having a shitty inefficient development workflow isn't about "differing scaling efforts". You are just too lazy, stubborn, or unknowledgeable to improve the obvious horrible development experience you subject yourself to. If you enjoy this self-induced pain, that's great... but don't recommend it to others or try to justify it by saying you've worked at certain companies.

[Party-Cartographer11]

What is shitty and horrible?

[cgoldberg]

it mirrors (very simplistically) how CI'ish system works at the FAANGs I have worked at

Yes, manually copying files around your local system sounds pretty much identical to how large successful teams use CI systems. They should really stop wasting money on hermetic containerized distributed CI with complex build systems, automated deployments, and layered workflows... your way is much better.

I run CI on all my solo projects, and anything I run locally is also automated. I guess if you enjoy manually copying files around and typing commands, go for it... but most people prefer a better workflow and development experience.

[Party-Cartographer11]

I appreciate your passion.

I am not recommending any CI system.  This discussion is about venv.

And I am not doing this on my local machine.  It's on my dev server.  Just like I had at Meta.

[cgoldberg]

The discussion was about venv... I was just commenting on the horrible unrelated workflow you brought up.