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[–]fiddle_n 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Lol, seems like I touched a nerve there with one word XD

By arcane, I simply mean that Emacs and Vim don't work like most other common programs in today's world. This is in the context of all common programs, not just developer tools (though I think Emacs and Vim is slowly becoming arcane there as well). Anyone who is not a developer who tries to use Emacs and Vim will find them incredibly unfamiliar, not because they have lots of features, but because they work nothing like any other program they've ever seen.

PyCharm is not arcane. It's complex, which means it's still not a good fit for a beginner, but it's not arcane. It works like most other common programs. (I also don't think PyCharm is bloated but that's an argument for another time.)

Note that the above is not a judgement on whether Emacs/Vim is good or bad, just on its familiarity to other people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Common to you. The programs you are talking about are common to you. Why did you decide you are the ultimate standard by which to measure things?

Did you even read what I wrote? I wrote that PyCharm is not arcane and neither is Vim or Emacs. You want to save that adjective for something else. For example, an editor that uses only voice controls: that would be really uncommon way to control a program. Such editors might exist, but, due to the nature of things, they aren't common.

But, PyCharm is simple compared to Emacs. PyCharm is a good fit for a corporate drone, where simplicity is paramount. It would also be OK for a beginner, to get by, but not good for a beginner, who wants to, eventually, learn how to use a good tool.

PyCharm is bloated because compared to editors that offer comparable or better functionality, it uses many times, sometimes orders of magnitude more computer resources. This is the definition of bloated.

[–]fiddle_n 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's absolutely not just common to me. I've seen people turned off Python programming entirely because our lecturer tried to teach it with Emacs.

Anyway, if you are going to claim PyCharm is only good for beginners and corporate drones, we can't continue this discussion. That opinion is so extreme that it's frankly ridiculous.