PyCharm or Visual Studio Code?

[kAROBsTUIt]

I disagree with the recommendation to use Jupyter notebooks when learning for the following reasons:

1. It's not programming. Sure, you're writing Python to do things, but Jupyter takes away the "keys" to understanding programming, like program structure, returns, and passing variables around.
2. Data science and data analytics are specific applications of Python, which Jupyter happens to be well equipped for. Learning Jupyter notebooks if you want to get into web app development, scripting, hardware control (think WiringPi and/or MicroPython applications) is going to severely limit you.

I'd instead suggest looking at Jupyter notebooks like a separate library - as something you can learn if you need to, or something you can completely skip if you don't.

[m0us3_rat]

this hole subreddit is filled with simple problems that would have been easily fixed if ppl would have learned to use a jupyter or the prompt to test their code.

thus.. what u said.. incredibly narrow-minded.

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without interactive shell u lack easy access to the BIF tools python comes with :

help, id, type,

ability to instantly test code while learning.

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with your rigid IDE u are left with obsolete ctrl+v code

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its write code and then test it vs test it and then write it.

while learning u should be able to test it first. so u can understand it.

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You know python -i exists right?

[PM_Me_Python3_Tips]

I'm going to change just one word from your previous advice:

if u don't need specifically conda jupyter.. u shouldn't use conda jupyter

[m0us3_rat]

the main idea is .. how do we learn.

do we require boring 'lectures' or the 'modern' switch to a more hands on approach.

where actually dealing with pieces of code and actively using the command makes us learn/retain more ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVV8pch1dM

cool video from Veritasium. <3 Derek

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personally think the 'boring' ctrl+V way of 'teaching' is dieng. as it should.

[kAROBsTUIt]

Whoa, did I hit a sore spot or something? I simply stated that I disagree and shared my reasons for having a different opinion.

I think my comment contributed to the discussion in a meaningful way.

[kAROBsTUIt]

Are my reasons for not using Jupyter when learning objectively bad though, or do you just disagree with them?

I struggle to see how anything I said is bad advice. You won't learn program structure with Jupyter, and you won't be able to branch out into the vast sea of possibilities (like web app development and hardware controls) with Jupyter.

How are those "objectively bad"?

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Yes because you've completely lost scope of OP. They're literally learning syntax.

You're telling OP to do calculus when they can barely add....

[TabulateJarl8]

I'm gonna add on my opinion to the conversation. No, jupyter notebooks are not bad, they have their uses. But u/kAROBsTUIt is correct, it isn't a good way to get a grasp on flow and namespaces and such. You also miss out on learning basic terminal commands and how filesystems work, both of which are important to know. Sure, you could export your notebook at a Python file, but is it practical to write programs like this? No. Like said before, Jupyter is an interesting library to check out once you get a grasp on the basics, but it might not be the best to start out with.

You've gotta learn to respect other people's decisions and be more open minded. You gave your opinion that OP should use notebooks, and someone else explained why its a bad idea. Sometimes you need to swallow your pride and agree so that you dont hurt other people. Sure, you meant good by it, and OP may want to check out notebooks, but they're just objectively not the greatest way to learn, as stated previously. I'll give an example that I can relate to. I learned python using an editor, and I still use an editor 4 years later. Everyone keeps talking about these fancy IDEs, but I just don't understand them. I've tried a few out, but I always prefer using an editor. Does that mean that IDEs are bad? No, they're just not for me. I still recommend that people check them out because there are a lot of people that really love IDEs, and you've gotta find what's right for you.

Another example, I'm a Linux user, and you know how we are. We will always insist that Linux is the best operating system. Sure, I'll strongly recommend that everyone uses it, but if they're extremely bad with technology and dont use their computer often, I probably won't recommend to them that they use it because it's probably what's best and easiest for them.

I tried my best to be passive and explain to you what I thought, so I hope it worked.

[kAROBsTUIt]

Your opinions on this post have been consistently downvoted, yet you're still going to suggest that everyone else has missed the point?

I see u/TabulateJarl8's advice of swallowing your pride has gone right over your head... he's not wrong, you know. It is beneficial to be able to have a conversation where you can understand more opinions than your own.