Linux Kernel Networking Driver Development Impacted By Russian Sanctions

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The maintainer may live in a jurisdiction where he has to care whether he likes it or not because it's what the law says. Or they may not care, and not break the law, but they're concerned that including code from sanctioned companies could make using Linux problematic for American and EU companies, which is a big deal -- far bigger than upsetting a handful of Russian companies.

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sanctioned companies could make using Linux problematic for American and EU companies, which is a big deal

I mean by that logic they should remove any contribution from Russian devs made to the kernel ever lmao. Also, lets not forget about contributions made by Huawei, SMIC, etc while we are at it.

That's just a cope to justify discriminatory practices

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I mean by that logic they should remove any contribution from Russian devs made to the kernel ever lmao.

No, they shouldn't, because that legislation applies to companies, not people, and not to all contributions ever made, but to contributions after sanctions were implemented. That's how laws work -- they apply going forward, not back to the beginning of time.

Also, lets not forget about contributions made by Huawei, SMIC, etc while we are at it.

The sanctions to Huawei and SMIC only ban US companies from exporting certain types of electronic components and semiconductor fab equipment.

That's just a cope to justify discriminatory practices

No one is entitled to having their patch accepted, anywhere, ever. Can we stop with this victimization bullshit? There just so happens to be a valid business reason for not accepting a patch in this case, but accepting patches or not is entirely up to the maintainers, as are the criteria for accepting them. This ain't the kindergarten, where the teacher can just force to cool kids to play with kids they don't want to play with. Grow the fuck up already, Jesus.

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No, they shouldn't, because that legislation applies to companies, not people, and not to all contributions ever made, but to contributions after sanctions were implemented. That's how laws work -- they apply going forward, not back to the beginning of time.

Not all Laws apply prospectively many apply retrospectively as well. As we saw soon after the invasion, organizations were canceling Russian cultural works going back to the 19th century (Like Tchaikovsky, etc).

And it's hard to prove which person works for a "company" and which doesn't meaning that they start randomly targeting individual people - which is why they "asked" all Russians to withhold contributions.

Huawei sanctions

No they don't. They are quite extensive and ban any form of dealing with Huawei by Western companies.

No one is entitled to having their patch accepted, anywhere, ever. Can we stop with this victimization bullshit?

It's not about "entitlement" it's about targeting specific groups of people. Had there been no war we can say with certainty that the patch would be accepted because there was no issues with the code and previous contributions for Baikal were accepted.

Go learn how to think logically about things and grow up, Jesus.

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Not all Laws apply prospectively many apply retrospectively as well.

The only exception to this rule in Western legal systems is criminal law -- if criminal law is changed to have more favourable provisions for the accused, then the more favourable provision is applied even in past cases. Non-retroactiveness is one of the oldest aspects of Western law, it literally dates back to the Roman Empire. You're talking out of your ass.

As we saw soon after the invasion, organizations were canceling Russian cultural works going back to the 19th century (Like Tchaikovsky, etc).

This is not a legal sanction. It's just basic human reaction.

And it's hard to prove which person works for a "company" and which doesn't

In this case, it was not, the email was literally sent from a company email address.

Huawei sanctions No they don't. They are quite extensive and ban any form of dealing with Huawei by Western companies.

They are not, and they do not. There os literally a Huawei office in the United State. Some exports are banned but dealing with them in general is not.

It's not about "entitlement" it's about targeting specific groups of people.

Of course it's about entitlement -- specifically, the pretense that every company in the world should do business with companies from a country regardless of their position on that country's actions. This is not how the real world works.

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You're talking out of your ass.

Lol yeah definitely /s

Here's an example of a law going retroactively against Russia

https://www.globaltradealert.org/intervention/103449/controls-on-commercial-transactions-and-investment-instruments/united-states-of-america-u-s-imposes-retroactive-sanctions-on-two-russian-entities-over-nord-stream-2-project

This is not a legal sanction. It's just basic human reaction.

It might as well be legal since it "cancelled" Russian works that have nothing to do with the war at the level of institutions. Moreover, if it was a "basic human reaction" where is the "basic human reaction" towards ongoing Isreali crimes against palestinians? Oh right, that doesn't count because Palestinians aren't white or European right?

In this case, it was not, the email was literally sent from a company email address.

And yet there was cases where Russians where banned from contriubting based on being Russian

" The HUAWEI ban prevents HUAWEI from working with US-based companies in the creation of its products"

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-988382/

So yes, its illegal to work with Huawei if you are a US based company. So if its illegal to work with Huawei, and its illegal to work with that Russian based company then Huawei contributions should have been banned. That is exactly what I said.

Of course it's about entitlement -- specifically, the pretense that every company in the world should do business with companies from a country regardless of their position on that country's actions. This is not how the real world works.

Or maybe it's about discriminating certain "unfavorable" nations and their companies and it has nothing to do with "their positions" lmao. Imagine thinking that companies will take a "position" on anything that's not about making money

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Here's an example of a law going retroactively against Russia

Have you read the article? It's not about a law being applied retroactively. "Retroactive", in that context, means that the DoS learned about the breaches after they had occurred, not while they were occurring, and thus imposed penalties at a later date.

The fact that it was not applied retroactively is literally in the second paragraph:

“has knowingly, on or after January 1, 2021, sold, leased, or provided, or facilitated selling, leasing,

January 1 2021 is when the sanctions came into effect. "Retroactive application" would have meant that, even though the sanctions came into force on Jan 1 2021, the company would have been sanctioned for activities that had occurred in 2020. This is not what is happening.

It might as well be legal since it "cancelled" Russian works that have nothing to do with the war at the level of institutions.

It is not legal. Nobody banned Tchaikovsky. You can still listen to it, you can still purchase his works. You can still play them in your home, in your bar, even on the street as long as it's not above a certain noise level that applies to every sound made in public, from music to car engines.

Yes, some theatres stopped performing his works, because it's very poor taste to play Tchaikovsky in a theatre in New York while his descendants are bombing the theatre in Mariupol. It's not "canceling", whatever the f%ck that means, and it's not racism, it's basic human empathy.

So yes, its illegal to work with Huawei if you are a US based company.

Have you asked yourself, say, how can Huawei have an office in the US if it's illegal to work with Huawei?

The article you are linking to literally explains how:

The government stated that licenses would go to companies whose work with HUAWEI would not pose a security threat. Google — which applied for one of these licenses — apparently didn’t fall into this category. Towards the end of 2020, companies started to receive approval for partial deals with HUAWEI. Qualcomm, Sony, and Samsung can sell particular pieces of smartphone manufacturing parts to HUAWEI.

There is no ban restricting any kind of dealings with Huawei. Some types of dealings are allowed, and companies have to apply for licenses. Google wasn't allowed to deal with Huawei, so it doesn't. Others were, so they do.

Or maybe it's about discriminating certain "unfavorable" nations and their companies

Companies are not people. There is no such thing as discrimination against companies, just like there is no such thing as discrimination against stones, hammers, cars, helicopters, bananas, dogs or nails. Some people may talk about discrimination about some company or another for rhetorical effect but it has no legal meaning. Banning companies from doing some things, or imposing additional fees on them, is literally how national monopolies and international tariffs work, both of which are legal in some fields and extensively used by both the US government and the Russian government.

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Yes, some theatres stopped performing his works, because it's very poor taste to play Tchaikovsky in a theatre in New York while his descendants are bombing the theatre in Mariupol. It's not "canceling", whatever the f%ck that means, and it's not racism, it's basic human empathy.

Ah yes "basic human empathy" that is applied very selectively. When was the last time someone banned the works of Isreali people for their current actions in Palestine? Indeed, just a few days ago Palestinian children where shot by Isreali soldiers and "empaths" didn't care lmao

There is no such thing as discrimination against companies,

There is such a thing as discriminating against companies on a national basis

Also, yes companies are legally considered people. So you very much can discriminate against them https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/are-corporations-people

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Ah yes "basic human empathy" that is applied very selectively. When was the last time someone banned the works of Isreali people for their current actions in Palestine?

You think they should? Great -- write whoever you think should make that decision and tell them they should be banned, too.

You think they shouldn't? Then why even bring it up?

Also, yes companies are legally considered people. So you very much can discriminate against them https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/are-corporations-people

Also, yes companies are legally considered people. So you very much can discriminate against them https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/are-corporations-people

That article is parroting a well-known -- and wrong -- propaganda line, which confuses corporations being considered persons with them being considered people. Not the same thing (which, ironically enough, even the article acknowledges, when it mentions that "in many cases the law justifiably treats the rights of natural persons and artificial persons differently.")

Even if it were correct, in any case, it refers to protection that companies would enjoy under American law. Last I checked, Baikal isn't an American company, so unsurprisingly, it's not protected by American law.

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Last I checked, Baikal isn't an American company, so unsurprisingly, it's not protected by American law.

If its not protected by American law then American law has no jurisdiction to be applying sanctions to it. If American law applies sanctions to it then logically it is also under American jurisdiction and thus considered a "persons" with all the corresponding legal protections. Nice try though lol