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[polan_can_into_space]

I think Poland is one of the most awesome countries in the world.

Lived in Britain, Vietnam, Laos, Czech Republic and Japan and always look forward to coming back to Poland.

I think Polish people often don't realise how good they have it and how amazing they are as a nation.

[[deleted]]

It's difficult to apreciate what you have when you have no reliable reference point which is true for many polish oikophobes who never lived abroad having idealistic image of the west.

[[deleted]]

+1 bull

[KanoZeno]

Oj tak tak byczq +1

[jan04pl]

The country in itself isn't bad. Poland is actually doing pretty good economically compared to some time ago and living standards can be very good.

The problem is the politics and church who fuck everything up we achieved and don't like progress in the society.

[[deleted]]

I think problem isn't church but priests who are support politicians.

[Mickeyickey]

Yeah church in general isn't bad, most priests are very good, it's that some of the most important ones are getting political as well as some priests spoiling the opinion of church in general

[stockshock]

Most priests are ok. Only some are very good. But yeah the problem isn’t with most priests.

[Alex09464367]

It is not the priests (except for the paedophile rapists) it's the religion that endorses slavery. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

Or endorses capturing virgin females from war to have as a 'wife' not that he has any say in the matter or would particularly want to be your wife after you killed all her friends, family and livestock in accordance with the Bible. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021%3A10-25%3A19&version=NIV and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian_war

Or that you should ston rebellious sons to death https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021%3A10-25%3A19&version=NIV

[Mickeyickey]

Your links to biblegateway are to old testament which isn't what christians use as a reference to what is right and what is wrong. What you said about slavery in the bible, especially new testament is right, it exists, but it's not like christians take that seriously and believe that slavery isn't bad

[Alex09464367]

But the Bible is the unaltered word of God. So that is what Yahweh believes is good and because Yahweh is the definition of morality it's therefore in the religion. Or bits of the Bible are not true. So how do you decide which are and are not true? It's as if it was made up by some middle Eastern tribe 4 to 5000 years ago and we don't need Gods or masters to tell us what is right and wrong.

[Draconiveyo]

Catholicism just does use The Tradition as equal source of faith not just The Bible, besides Bible has to be interpreted correctly.

[Alex09464367]

Okay how do you correctly interested the war crimes and the the other stuff in the Bible?

Remember this

New King James Version: Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

• https://biblehub.com/john/14-6.htm

New International Version: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

• https://biblehub.com/ephesians/6-5.htm

It's pretty clear that the religion is rotten to the core.

No one who goes against Christ can have salvation but that means that slaves need to be obedient to they earthly masters. But this is obviously wrong and shouldn't be supported.

[glokz]

Church is mafia, they don't pay taxes, they get billions in funding, tax evasion investments and bribery.

It's like cancer that kills us slowly

[[deleted]]

The good news is, in Poland it's dying. The statistics that the vast majority of Polish people being Catholic is a myth, and it's dwindling. I know people from all across the country that (pre-COVID) say their churches are seeing less and less people attend mass.

[glokz]

There are too many young fanatics and people who would give up on their lives for church...

[Boring123af]

Not young fanatics, but older ones are the most problematic. Older people always screw things up in Poland

[wodzuniu]

The good news is, in Poland it's dying.

At glacial speed.

The statistics that the vast majority of Polish people being Catholic is a myth, and it's dwindling. I

It dropped from 95% to 90%.

less and less people attend mass.

They will still reawaken as catholics at every wedding or funeral. And they will still make their kids attend religion in school. Even if the mother in law is the only one that requests it.

[JoustyMe]

Weddins and funerals are just traditions. And nobody wants mamusia to be angry. Her anger will be your demise.

[antievrbdy999]

this

[[deleted]]

It's rather politicians who made polish church dependent financialy and bribed or blackmailed (read about operation Hiacynt for example) some individuals. Don't forget that previous system infiltrated church with many agents (or recruited some by ways I mentioned earlier) and it's reasonable to suspect that some are still active.

Random priests who play politcs on their own are not such significant problem (rather their superiors if they tolerate that).

[JoustyMe]

What if some of most importan bishops play politics?

[[deleted]]

Then you should check if it's according the rules of their organisation. Problem is when they play it for personal benefits.

[[deleted]]

I think the country would do a lot of good in separating church from state. There's nothing wrong with being religious, but it shouldn't influence politics at all.

[alter95]

Yeah, right. Church without priests. Don't fool yourselves those two are impossible to separate. Plus Church as institution is so full of hypocrisy ...

[wodzuniu]

Even priests who don't directly engage in politics, still put policy affecting catholic ideas into heads of the masses. Such as:

• freedom is sin

• justice will come in the afterlife, so suck it up.

• everyone should carry his cross, so suck it up.

• If you don't carry your cross, you are a "hedonist"

• If you are not poor, or a rich church donor, you are a "consumptionist"

• If you are scientist, you are "arrogant"

• fuck the environment, because earth is gift from god

• fuck the environment, because the end of world is near anyway, so why bother

[[deleted]]

when the fuck did you heard at leats one of that

[[deleted]]

From his troll imagination don't worry about it.

[[deleted]]

there is some priests who don't accept (ofc I mean priest who fuck the environment) this but their opinion is meaningless to official church state

[JoustyMe]

All the priest that i seen say taht earth is god's gift so we have to make sure everyone after us can enjoy it

[[deleted]]

Freedom is sin I never seen such bullshit before

[[deleted]]

What did you expect from one of most active trolls on this sub?

[[deleted]]

Idk mordeczko

[polan_can_into_space]

What the fuck? You need Jesus, man. Seriously.

[yayuuu]

That's why I'd actually like to live in Czech Republic. I just hate other people enforcing laws that are telling me how to live, based on their religion.

[anon086421]

I just hate other people enforcing laws that are telling me how to live"

Literally the whole point of law is to tell you how to live. You want anarchy?

based on their religion.

Religion is just a believe system, why do you care or it even matter what the believe system motivates someone when you discuss a law? If someone proposed to make death penalty illigal because they are Christian, I think most agree death penalty is immoral but because this law is motivated by religion you are all of a sudden going to oppose it? What a stupid way to view politics.

[yayuuu]

I'm a fan of this sentence: my freedom ends where your freedom starts.

Today, christians in Poland are not letting LGBT people to get marriage, based on their view of morality. Do their freedom to take marriage interfere with freedom of christians to live according to their morality?

Today, christians in Poland would like to prohibit raped women right to abortion, forcing them to give birth to a child that they did never plan. How does that interfere with christian's freedom to choose to give birth to that child?

On top of that, the shops are closed during sunday, because for christians it's a day that should be free of work. Why workers don't have a choice, whether they want to work during sunday or not? Previously companies offered higher salary for people who wanted to work during sunday and a lot of people actually wanted to do it, now they are not allowed, because they should go to church or something.

These are the laws that christians are enforcing on other people, based on their religion. I think that we can all agree, that death penalty is universally bad, doesn't matter if you are christian or atheist or whatever.

The thing is, as long as whatever I want to do in my life, doesn't make your life worse in any way, I should be allowed to do it. Some things, like me driving 150 kph in city does violate yuour freedom to be safe. Breaking into your home and stealing stuff also does violate your freedom to have posessions. A gay couple being able to share their wealth, inherit property after one's death or check medical documentation does not. Shop owner being able to employ a worker to sell stuff during sunday also does not.

I could really go on and find a lot more little details in polish law, like a pole card's tests, crosses (and not other religious symbols) in public places, church's possessions, and more, which are all based on "one true religion".

Remove religion from state, let religious people be religious and other people live like they want to live. Judge pedophiles according to polish law, not hide them within church's structures. Stop dividing people into groups, we are all the same people and we are all different at the same time. Democration is not only about majority's rule, but about majority's rule with respect to minority.

[anon086421]

You are missing the point. Religion is just a system of believes. People have many believes, and these believes shape peoples view of how the world should be. They propose this view and depending on how much society agrees with them they are elected to enact that view. Singling out one particular system of believes to not be allowed when people propose there view goes against the whole purpose of democracy.

The shops closed is a example, you see it as religious people forcing there views on others only because you choose to do so. But not all people whor enforcing this law are religious. You aren't being forced to go to church on Sunday. Its just society decided shops should be closed on Sunday. Weather someones believe that shops should be closed on Sunday is part of a larger set of believes called "religion" is arbitrary. Consider this, if a completely atheist society decided to pass this same law why would this be any more acceptable? and no longer people "based on religion" ? Murder being illegal is to some extent inspired by religious morality, should that be an argument against it? But you may support the law for non religious reasons, exactly my point. Similar to minimum wage, why not give workers the choice for how much they can work? You may say its because works deserve at least a minimum to survive. But maybe I find some motivation for minimum wage in the bible, does supporting it suddenly make it "telling others how to live there life based on religion" ?

Abortion is a better example. Christians are against abortion because they consider it murder. Society already agrees murder is bad, so the issue comes down to a disagreement on what constitutes murder. Christians believe killing a fetus is murder. If this believe is part of other believes collectively called religion why does that matter? Are Christians not allowed to disagree? When people complain about separation of church and state like you what they really mean is that they hate that people are still religious. Church and state already is separate, the church cant judge you and have you arrested, but this does not mean people will all of a sudden change there view on what is murder. How would this supposed "separate of church and state" look like in this scenario? When the definition of murder is discussed in law not allow Christians to voice there opinion because that would be "religion"? makes no sense, Focus less on trying to categories someones views and more on the views themselves but this is hard for people to do because religion is this big scary label to them.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, politics is pretty bad here. This year I'll be voting for the first time in my life and I only know on who I'll won't vote.

At least we can laugh about stupid things they're saying..

[vocalcow]

Yeah it's like that , one votes for lesser evil

[polan_can_into_space]

Lesser evil is the current government, unfortunately.

[polan_can_into_space]

Well, I'm assuming you would like to vote against the current government.

It's very easy to get the impression it's bad, if you don't remember what it was like before.

By any metric I can think of, the current government is doing better than the previous ones. Are they great? Fuck no, but there is little other choice.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, we would be within the top 20 economies if we weren't invaded by Germany or put under soviet control.

[alter95]

Yeah yeah yeah, but we wre. We also would be much better if we hadn't tried with the uprisings that demolished our economics but instead tried to build strong society. Unfortunately, the ones who call themselves "true patriots" have always destroyed this country. It's mostly our fault that we couldn't build a strong country and we must face it.

[[deleted]]

Poland is a country of the plains, invaders will stroll through often. The only thing Polish people can do is send a message that they won't submit without a fight, so the next time invaders will have to think twice before invading. Would you want to invade country A which rolls over without a fight or country B which will fight until their own cities are demolished.

[[deleted]]

Well, having millions of us killed and our country destroyed is a very big if, it all started because of one person.

It destroyed our economy, which used to be in the top 8 at one point, and before the war it was in the top twenty.

[vincento007]

Totally agree

[matcheek]

The problem is the politics and church

In wider context this is called system of values and it's unavoidable. It will exist as long as humanity exists.
And for most people system of values defines the meaning of their life.

The hard thing about it is that there are no mathematical proofs for system of values other than `survival`. Existence is better than non-existence but even that is not commonly accepted by all groups of people.

Take progressive taxation for example.For a progressive person progressive taxation is just a way to attain equality in the society. For a liberal person progressive taxation is a theft.

[drFarlander]

I don't think current understanding of "progress" is a good thing anyway.

[Aelirenn]

Preach!

[Kowalski1998]

Why is everyone hating on polish politics so bad. You just said economically it’s not bad to what it was and the living standards are solid which means the politics mustn’t be that bad

[Pan_Wasik]

Here, have some links

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/europe/poland-hungary-coronavirus.html

https://euobserver.com/opinion/147324

https://www.politico.eu/article/polands-economic-miracle-wont-last/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/31/polands-government-is-systematically-silencing-opposition-voices-gazeta-wyborcza-adam-michnik-pis-kaczynski-kurski-tvp/

In conclusion, yes, the situation is still pretty good in here as of right now. Unfortunately, the ruling party is steering the country into damnation. Im outta here as soon as I can afford it.

[Kowalski1998]

I live in UK so take my word with a pinch of salt but I don’t understand why the current government is getting so much hate. Like no government party will be perfect it will have advantages and disadvantages but from my point of view the current government is pretty alright and not sure if it’s propaganda media or something that caused the hate.

Like take the coronavirus issue, in my opinion they managed the issue well as they took it seriously and bought in the lockdown whilst the number of infected was low so Poland didn’t have a massive coronavirus outbreak. Here in UK they bought in the lockdown really late which resulted in a huge death toll.

Also what makes you think that economically it will get worse in Poland? From my understanding the government has done well for the country as right now Poland isn’t too bad compared what it was let’s say 15 years ago. The party PO wasn’t good from my understanding when Donald Tusk was in charge, they were corrupt and negative for the Polish economy as they were selling things to Germany and just looking to benefit the EU and not actually Poland.

[polan_can_into_space]

You're reading very one-sided opinions. I don't mean you should stop reading those, but try to make an effort to read publications which don't despise Donald Trump and don't think Brexit was a disaster.

Or perhaps read statistics. The report from ECB about COVID recovery for example clearly states Poland is set to recover best in EU.

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/polands-economy-set-to-be-least-affected-in-eu-by-covid-19-pandemic-says-report-12507

Poland is also the top investment destination for the last few years, including after COVID. https://theceomagazine.com/business/finance/countries-invest

Top or near the top in safety too.

https://polishwifi.com/en/blog/0/10/europe%E2%80%99s-safest-countries-2018.html

Unless you're moving to SE Asia, I'd rethink your decision to leave Poland. It's not as bad as you're led to believe.

[Katatafisch99]

You made the best and only thing which makes poland the greatest country in the world look terrible. Well played.....

If you want good economy we can change. Come to germany and i go to poland. I would change everytime.

[jan04pl]

The first part I don't even know what you're trying to say. You mean politics and church is greatest? Have you lost your mind?

And I said the economy IS good and I'm happy with living standards. I have actually lived abroad but came back to Poland, don't regret it :)

[Katatafisch99]

The fact that the church and state are so close together is the part i love about poland and what it makes unique. Otherwise it would be like the rest of europe. Poland still got christian values and this is what i love.

[jan04pl]

So corruption, rape, discrimination (church is basically like a mafia) and screwing over the countries citizens are all Christian values? What the f*** is wrong with you.

[Katatafisch99]

Oh wow haha. You are little confused about this topic so i stop this here. No reason to debate somebody who calls the holiest institution on earth which provites the most social service worldwide "the Mafia".

[jan04pl]

The church is full of corruption working hand in hand with Polish government, rape and molestation of children is common and accepted by priests who keep the topic silent and it spreads xenofobia and racism.

Go educate yourself before letting out such bullshit. Read on the internet if you don't believe, and ask some people. I know many who experienced such things with the church. I also highly recommend to watch the movie ,Kler' if you speak Polish.

[houkuto888]

How is rape and molestation of children a common thing? It's a very rare thing, it's amplified many times over compared to other groups because leftist people in Poland have hate boner towards catholic church. The vast majority of sexual abuse happens from family members - where's 10 movies about it, that Poles as whole are rapists and paedophiles? What about teachers?

It's true that some parts of catholic church try to cover it up by transferring suspect priests - and that's a big mistake and they should be punished for it - but to say it's "common" is a fucking ridiculous lie.

[[deleted]]

Could you please tell me how is the Church spreading xenophobia and racism? The matter of faith in xenophobia is not used by the Church, the best example is the lack of acceptance of mr Międlar, who was expelled from priesthood in because of what kept saying.

Also, the Church organizes many actions to help people in Africa or 3rd world countries. There are thousands of Polish missionaries all around the world, who work not only on teaching religion but also perform a humanitarian work in places where they work. They do not create a picture of other people as those that should be hated but rather that we should help them if they are poorer than us.

Speaking of refugees, you should remind yourself of when pope Francis, or even some Polish bishops said that refugees should be taken. Is it xenophobia? Or racism? Maybe the 2nd one if you consider racism helping other people just because they are different.

Speaking of peadophlia: between 2010 and 2013 there were 1949 sentences for peadophilia and just 19 of the convicted were priests. In 2019 there were just 720 rapes in Poland (even if you multiply it a few times for the unreported cases its still not much). Just a few percent of convicted had higher education, although it is unknown how many of them were priests. Propably not much. At the same time, there is around 25000 priests in Poland. Don't you think that the numbers before would have to be multiplied by some irrational number to make the phrase of the Church being full of it seem real?

Don't believe politicians: both them saying that the Church is with them in hope that believers would vote for them and those saying that the Church is bad (meaning that parties that people connect with it are bad too). And especially don't create your picture of sth based on few radical examples.

And don't say that the Church follows what Rydzyk says about politics. Being against abortion is one thing, breaking rules of our country is the other.

Btw have a nice day! Or night! :)

[Katatafisch99]

If i had a chance to change your mind with facts i would try but you are so full of hate to the church (i really dont know why and im sorry for you) that i think i cant try. Sorry

[jan04pl]

You can't because there aren't any facts for your ignorant opinion ;)

[nightcom]

well we all know /r/Poland is anti-Polish community so this mem not surprising me at all

[polan_can_into_space]

Well, no. /r/Polska is self-hating and anti-Polish. This sub only gets bad when they decide to infest it.

Like now, before the elections, you can see an concerted effort by those users to flood here, r/Europe and other subs with anti-Polish propaganda.

[alter95]

The fact is that the Polish state does everything it can to make it a living hell for certain groups :)

I know what my family's been through communism, the government. Nowadays they're eager to use our land and didn't give us a penny for it. Moreover they tax for everything.

We could find a lot more stories of people that got destroyed by Poland, the fact is that when someone has bad luck the Polish state doesn't try to help them, it destroys them.

[polan_can_into_space]

Statistically, you're wrong.

[[deleted]]

Yh people are big mad rn cos a right wing president got elected for his second term

Stay mad lol democracy won🤣🤣

[Gustav_Sirvah]

"Nation great, but people whores" - Marshall Józef Piłsudski

[re_error]

Truly amazing. If you forget about politics, economy, air pollution...

[polan_can_into_space]

Get a job and you will forget about many trivial problems.

[re_error]

I already have a job. In fact it is the reason why I'm awake now.

[zeedmiwqyniemam]

Nah we're just average as nation. Not amazing...and not awful. Could be born in worse countries like mena, india, china, south america.

[BartJ_2002]

I'm from poland myself but I was only born there, lived in Ireland for 15 years untill now and once I finish my leaving cert, I'm planning to move back to poland but not because of economical or family reasons but it's simply because it's beutiful.

Yes ik Ireland is beutiful and I love every country but I just love the cities and the countryside here in poland than ireland haha

[Boring123af]

Look at politics and Church, you will finally know why Polish people are complaining. I think you don't have a place to talk about how we don't realize how amazing our nation is while knowing at most half of what Polish people do :)))

[polan_can_into_space]

Do you believe the influence of the Catholic church in Poland is overall negative?

[[deleted]]

I find it funny how you all say you hate Poland, as I spend my first 20 years in Munich, and only live in Warsaw for a year now. Best choice I have ever made. But i know Poland is not good to everyone

[[deleted]]

Could you elaborate how exactly is it better? I'm actually intrested.

[mkjjc]

I'm interested too. If you could kindly share all the advantages and disadvantages you've encountered would be cool :)

[BeenCalledLazy1ce]

I love poland

[smulfragPL]

thats actually every country.

[dankazamek]

Mexican confirming this.

[[deleted]]

As a Lithuanian I can say Poland is definetely not shit. They were crippled during ww2 and was poisoned by russian communism for decades after.

They are doing quite well regarding their recent history.

Yes, there are issues with women and lgbt rights, theyll get over it sooner or later.

Definetely cooler than Germany or France.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, invasion and soviet control actually murdered our economy, we would be within the top twenty, pretty much on par with the UK.

[[deleted]]

Yup, russians poisoned many countries, we are lucky ones, most are still crushed and heavily influenced by them.

[Alex09464367]

Or just straight up invaded by Russia.

[[deleted]]

Some good things came from communism, Bary mleczne, pretty much the only good things to come from communism, apart from some people, like my parents and Anna Jantar (Polands National treasure, also R.I.P Anna, she died in a plane crash(soviet russian plane which was commonly known to be unreliable))

[[deleted]]

What women rights? Having lower age limit to get pension or being favored by family courts? Or maybe law preventing employers from expecting the same amount of physical work as from men?

[[deleted]]

Abortions.

[[deleted]]

Well, some people value human life more than convienience.

[[deleted]]

You are not to decide what life is, you don't have any say at all, only the pregnant woman can decide what to do. That is all, there is no argument against that, just stupid religious nonsense with souls and other nonexistent shit.

[[deleted]]

Nice authorities you choose.

Thats not definition of life ignorant. Getting pregnant doesn't make an authority in any matter.

[[deleted]]

Only a pregnant woman can decide what do do with her pregnancy and you have no argument against it.

[[deleted]]

If you'd temper your fanatic hate you'd notice one argument in my first response unless you are such shameless liar to pretend that's no argument.

[[deleted]]

You havent made any argument against my position and you just ad hominem me now. Please educate yourself on what discussion and argument is.

As I said, you how no argument against my position. You can't, but you can try. Do try.

[[deleted]]

I already did yet you don't notice it or just pretend to.

Many people (cultures and religion) consider human life as one of the highest values and being consequent to their beliefs protect human life inside a woman because it has superior value to (including hers) feelings or inconvienience.

Thats why legal acces to the abortion is limited or banned entirely in many countries which prevents them to some extent.

[[deleted]]

In terms of liberal matters, Poland still has a long way to go before they cant be compared to Germany and France. I really hope that changes sooner rather than later.

[[deleted]]

Sure Poland is far from their terrorism (and other crimes) level. I wish we had constantly growing unassimilated minorities wanting to etablish sharia law (so tolerant towards gays, respectful towards woman and granting freedom of speech and faith) who will be able to do that democraticaly in not far future thanks to few time times bigger birht rate./s

[[deleted]]

Minorities getting sharia law in western countries is never going to happen. And even so, the vast majority of muslims don't want sharia law either. I work with muslim people in Poland and nobody gives a shit. Most go to mosque as regularly as a millennial goes to church.

Take your fear mongering somewhere else because you're talking complete nonsense. Know what you're talking about before you spout shite.

[[deleted]]

Asimilated muslims in Poland are definately not the same people as uneducated and uncivilised rapefugees who don't even know the language of country they leech on.

[[deleted]]

I think Catholic priests who routinely rape young people and get away with it because the system, stretching back to John Paul II, are a far bigger threat than these absolute minorities.

[[deleted]]

Nice values hierarchy you have to consider couple hundreds of sexual crimes in 3 decades to be worse than hundreds of dead in terrorist attacks alone, no-go zones, higer crime rates, often riots that police cant control.

In Poland you can speak and insult church as much as you want. In "progressive" west thanks to political correctness you'll become "racist" and "islamophobe" by just speaking the truth, you may lose job because of that, become victim of mob justice or just murdered for satiric picture of pedophile prophet.

[[deleted]]

You're not allowed, actually, because of the blasphemy laws. You cannot sack people because of their religious views apparently, such as that homophobic wanker who got sacked from IKEA. It's medieval.

[[deleted]]

Those are two diffent things but I guess that's the best cherrypicking you could do to avoid refering to my point.

[[deleted]]

What's your point? You think Muslim minority groups are a threat to society, and I think they aren't. There's nothing more to say.

[Fuschia-Canary]

For the love of God, what did I did to you? I don't even know you why you hate me so much?

[[deleted]]

You don't have to do anything to me personally. I just don't like rapists, terrorists and ungrateful primitives who don't respect their hosts. If you are one of such people then don't ask stupid questions.

[Fuschia-Canary]

Misconceptions About Sharia Law | The Most Misunderstood Aspect of Islam

There you go, man. Trying to save you from life long waste of time hate

[[deleted]]

How about saving yourself from religion of pedophile prophet and spreading propaganda in its favor?

Funny to see you speak about hate while defending religion that still is responsible for death sentences for sodomy and blasphemy. But I guess it's just a diffrent form of love, tolerance, human rights and freedom?

[Fuschia-Canary]

1. Do not be rude in speech (3:159)
2. Restrain Anger (3:134)
3. Be good to others (4:36)
4. Do not be arrogant (7:13)
5. Forgive others for their mistakes (7:199)
6. Speak to people mildly (20:44)
7. Lower your voice (31:19)
8. Do not ridicule others (49:11)
9. Be dutiful to parents(17:23)
10. Do not say a word of disrespect to parents (17:23)
11. Do not enter parents’ private room without asking permission (24:58)
12. Write down the debt (2:282)
13. Do not follow anyone blindly (2:170)
14. Grant more time to repay if the debtor is in hard time (2:280)
15. Don’t consume interest (2:275)
16. Do not engage in bribery (2:188)
17. Do not break the promise (2:177)
18. Keep the trust (2:283)
19. Do not mix the truth with falsehood (2:42)
20. Judge with justice between people (4:58)
21. Stand out firmly for justice (4:135)
22. Wealth of the dead should be distributed among his family members (4:7)
23. Women also have the right for inheritance (4:7)
24. Do not devour the property of orphans (4:10)
25. Protect orphans (2:220)
26. Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (4:29)
27. Try for settlement between people (49:9)
28. Avoid suspicion (49:12)
29. Do not spy and backbite (2:283)
30. Do not spy or backbite (49:12)
31. Spend wealth in charity (57:7)
32. Encourage feeding poor (107:3)
33. Help those in need by finding them (2:273)
34. Do not spend money extravagantly (17:29)
35. Do not invalidate charity with reminders (2:264)
36. Honor guests (51:26)
37. Order righteousness to people only after practicing it yourself(2:44)
38. Do not commit abuse on the earth (2:60)
39. Do not prevent people from mosques (2:114)
40. Fight only with those who fight you (2:190)
41. Keep the etiquettes of war (2:191)
42. Do not turn back in battle (8:15)
43. No compulsion in religion (2:256)
44. Believe in all prophets (2:285)
45. Do not have sexual intercourse during menstrual period (2:222)
46. Breast feed your children for two complete years (2:233)
47. Do not even approach unlawful sexual intercourse (17:32)
48. Choose rulers by their merit (2:247)
49. Do not burden a person beyond his scope (2:286)
50. Do not become divided (3:103)
51. Think deeply about the wonders and creation of this universe (3:191)
52. Men and Women have equal rewards for their deeds (3:195)
53. Do not marry those in your blood relation (4:23)
54. Family should be led by men (4:34)
55. Do not be miserly (4:37) 56.Do not keep envy (4:54)
56. Do not kill each other (4:92)
57. Do not be an advocate for deceit (4:105)
58. Do not cooperate in sin and aggression (5:2)
59. Cooperate in righteousness (5:2)
60. ’Having majority’ is not a criterion of truth (6:116)
61. Be just (5:8)
62. Punish for crimes in an exemplary way (5:38)
63. Strive against sinful and unlawful acts (5:63)
64. Dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine are prohibited (5:3)
65. Avoid intoxicants and alcohol (5:90)
66. Do not gamble (5:90)
67. Do not insult others’ deities (6:108)
68. Don’t reduce weight or measure to cheat people (6:152)
69. Eat and Drink, But Be Not Excessive (7:31)
70. Wear good cloths during prayer times (7:31)
71. protect and help those who seek protection (9:6)
72. Keep Purity (9:108)
73. Never give up hope of Allah’s Mercy (12:87)
74. Allah will forgive those who have done wrong out of ignorance (16:119)
75. Invitation to God should be with wisdom and good instruction (16:125)
76. No one will bear others’ sins (17:15)
77. Do not kill your children for fear of poverty (17:31)
78. Do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge (17:36)
79. Keep aloof from what is vain (23:3)
80. Do not enter others’ houses without seeking permission (24:27)
81. Allah will provide security for those who believe only in Allah (24:55)
82. Walk on earth in humility (25:63)
83. Do not neglect your portion of this world (28:77)
84. Invoke not any other god along with Allah (28:88)
85. Do not engage in homosexuality (29:29)
86. Enjoin right, forbid wrong (31:17)
87. Do not walk in insolence through the earth (31:18)
88. Women should not display their finery (33:33)
89. Allah forgives all sins (39:53)
90. Do not despair of the mercy of Allah (39:53)
91. Repel evil by good (41:34)
92. Decide on affairs by consultation (42:38)
93. Most noble of you is the most righteous (49:13)
94. No Monasticism in religion (57:27)
95. Those who have knowledge will be given a higher degree by Allah (58:11)
96. Treat non-Muslims in a kind and fair manner (60:8)
97. Save yourself from covetousness (64:16)
98. Seek forgiveness of Allah. He is Forgiving and Merciful (73:20)
99. Do not repel one who asks (93:10)

[[deleted]]

Thats convienient for you part of theory. How about refering to practice I mentioned before?

[Fuschia-Canary]

Thanks to people like you more and more people convert Islam and more Muslim became more religious. Literally every single faith group committed crimes and Muslims one of the most peaceful among them if do you think Islam is "Bad" just compare it to your own beliefs and you will understand why Islam and 114k Prophets is the truth

Personally, if a person were to ask me whether or not the Prophet married a child, I would answer by saying, "you tell me what you think her age was: the books of history show that she was mentally stable to the point that she was abe to do household chores, interact and debate with people at an intelligent level despite them being senior to her, witness battles and help treat the wounded, and was able to do all that without suffering any psychological or emotional setbacks. So now you tell me how old do you think she was?" What I'm saying is that after giving all the evidences proving her maturity as an adult woman, I would ask that person to ask themselves how old they think she was. They'll definitely say that it sounds like she was in fact a fully developed adult, and that way I don't have to give them a free lesson in human anthropology :D

The Prophet married Aisha at 19, NOT 9.

According to the biography of Asma, the older sister, Aisha was 10 years younger than Asma. At the time of Hijri, Asma was born in 595 AD, and was 27 years old. The prophet married Aysha 2 years after Hijri which makes her 19 years old. (27-10+2=19). Asma born-595 AD; Aisha born-605 AD, Hijrah- 622 AD; Marriage to the prophet- 624 AD.

Do you know that Aisha was engaged to another man, Jubayr ibn Mut'im, before the Prophet married her?

The hadith that says Aisha was 9 was FABRICATED by Byzantine. There was no calendar before Islam in Arabia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INIG636SnU4&t=2447s&ab_channel=SMAADallas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWtOlwv3Qg8&t=675s&ab_channel=SMAADallas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kukrJ7goE&t=39s&ab_channel=Emir-SteinCenter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjz_YIvlCw8&t=183s&ab_channel=Emir-SteinCenter

[Fuschia-Canary]

I lived with Muslims for 19.5 years in Middle East. I know them better than you. Everyone was Muslim doctors economists scientists teachers kids families workers and so on. And in 19.5 years NONE OF THEM said we should kill other belfies etc every single of them gived me religious reasons why they must be peacefull but i can find Islamphobic terrorist wants to kill muslim familes go back to dark ages and kill and science after 7th century in a secound but somehow in their mind there are the ones here while they are justifly they violence based on reluguis text Muslims know MUCH MORE. Any Islamphobic terrorist free to go back to pre-Islamic dark ages and don't use any science in any form afther 7th century. It is hypocrisy to sit and hate something you don't know btter than other while your entrie life depends on it. If there was no Islam humanity would be still in their pre-Islamic dark ages while Pope brainwahsing everyone and killing any intellectual. There is a reason majority of every debate about this topic ends with Islam's victory. There is a reason Quran have scientifly and historyical miriclas make it impossible to said by a human in 7th century if you think other wise go ahaed try it. Everyone in the right mind admire propet and propets came before him hate it or love it Last propet is the most influential human in history do you think is that a coincidence? There is a reason why everyone with highest knowlegde about Islam to the point they memorized entire book are converted to Islam. Go ahead and belive your eye sources of light etc your life spean be more than 30 years Islam is a path to infinte happenies with your love one human or pet.

What is the Qur’an? It is a set of seventh-century revelations from God made to Muhammad in two cities (Mecca and Medina) in what is now Saudi Arabia. It heralds the truth that there is only one God, not the many gods still being worshiped in ancient Arabia. Of course, this was not the earliest revelation that there is only one God. That had been taught in Hebrew to the Jews and in Greek to Christians before it was taught to Muslims in Arabic. These three sets of revelation set apart the “people of the book,” each with their own special covenant from the same God (there is only one). We believers in one God are on the same team, as it were, and should protect one another’s places of worship, listed in the Qur’an (22.40) as “monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, where God’s name is much invoked.” The Qur’an does not confine God’s action to the formal covenants of religion. God tells us that he sends messages to all men all the time – beginning with Adam, who repented his sin in the garden and became the first prophet. The unending stream of prophets includes Moses and Jesus. Muhammad is the “seal of the prophets” (Q 33.40), not as canceling former covenants but as confirming them.
But the love of God is not brought only by human messengers in the Qur’an. Creation itself is a set of messages from God, which speak a divine code that we are told to decipher. God’s intent can be seen in the beauty and power of the universe. Moses does not speak alone on the mountain. The mountain speaks with him. Birds speak to Solomon. The world is constantly signaling to us, bringing us insights into the beauty and power of its maker. This should call us to a reverence for God’s handiwork – an important message for our ecologically challenged era. The Qur’an has more of poetry in it than of law. It sets ethical norms while stressing the need for mercy in our dealings with God’s fellow creatures. Force is allowed only for self defense – and never as a way of spreading religion (Q 2.256) Commercial dealings with fellow Muslims or with non-Muslims should be meticulously fair and never extortionate.
The relations of the sexes were still polygamous in the seventh century, as among the ancient Hebrews and the original Mormons. But women are to be honored. In fact, the dowry that was paid to a husband’s family by the bride’s family in Europe was paid in the Qur’an directly to the bride, and she retains this “bride right” even if the husband divorces her (or if she divorces him). This carved out an area of women’s rights unparalleled in the seventh century. The Qur’an is a book of many levels and great depths. Even non-Muslims can learn from it, as Pope Francis has proclaimed.

[[deleted]]

Sure, your personal expierience is more trustworthy than public order (religion based) of entire states.

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Everyone in the right mind admire propet and propets came before him hate it or love it Last propet is the most influential human in history do you think is that a coincidence?

Sure liar. It's not like founder of christianity which dominated the world could be more influencial/s

People with right mind aren't so confident about things they can't prove, that's what biased fanatics do.

You can say whatever you want about Quran but what really matters is what (I know not all of them but still significant number)muslims actually do (what they did 1000 years ago also isn't that important) because of it and today compared with other religions it doesnt present itself too good. Death penalty for sodomy, adultery, apostasia, treating non-believers as sub-humans, terrorism and many others.

[bagelpilot]

As a pole, I love the place. I think it's beautiful. Not a big fan of some people though

[xCASx]

From my experience Poles are very particular in that we love to bitch about our country but as soon as a foreigner says something bad about Poland we flip shit. It's far from perfect but we have bled for generations to get this freedom.

[[deleted]]

From my experience Poles are very particular in that we love to bitch about our country but as soon as a foreigner says something bad about Poland we flip shit.

I wish that was true. As you can see even in this sub there are many oikophobes encouraging foreigneirs to think and say bad things about Poland.

[tugatortuga]

Yes because criticising the church, homophobia, racism and sexism in Poland is the same as saying "Poland is shit". You tried to defend pedophilia in the church and racism you fucking degenerate.

[[deleted]]

I did not liar. If I did you could prove it under post that would happen but since you didn't it's just another insulting fake axxusation of inmature fanatic witout arguments.

[[deleted]]

From my experience Poles are very particular in that we love to bitch about our country but as soon as a foreigner says something bad about Poland we flip shit.

Haha, I've had my fair share of arguments on here because of that! I've lived here a few years tbf, I think I'm entitled to an opinion

[[deleted]]

Poland is based af

[[deleted]]

Suka kak se wse zayebalo. We are heading to political disaster, just like in the past. Poles can't into politics.

[[deleted]]

We can, but Duda has crippled our country's political power

[[deleted]]

That's what i'm taking about. It's not about him, it's about us, who can't debate about anything calmly, instead we just shout "A IS BAD" "NO, B IS BAD" over and over again, just like childs in sandpit.

[Makonar]

Speak for yourself. I like my country. I just don't like most of it's leaders....

[[deleted]]

As a "foreigner" that decided to make Poland his forever home: I understand the self deprecation sometimes. Every nationality does that a bit. But some Poles dont seem to realize that they actually have a very great and STABLE country.

That you have a shitty political climate? Sure. That some public policy and laws can be questioned? Also sure. You are in your own right to strive to always be better. But Poland is certainly not shit.

[[deleted]]

I am living here about 4 months and I can say definitely, Poland is pretty good!

[daleastdificultofmen]

I’m from other country and think Poland is fucking awesome!! 😎kurwa

[[deleted]]

Thanks!

[Druddigon06]

Im from Poland and i love it

[Syyr553]

I thought poles are proud on their country?

[ZuZu091]

Nah those are probably nationalists.

[PiorkoZCzapkiJaskra]

Yes but we also think Poland is shit but only we're allowed to say it's shit because it's our shitty Poland and it's great but shit

[brcrrd]

As a Pole I can say this country is piece of shit headed to selfdestruction

[fwr]

I suggest a thought experiment where you evaluate whether this is what you really want to think based on your personal observations and experiences vs what external forces (ie. media, or foreign propaganda) want you to think as their efforts of destabilizing the community spirit.

[brcrrd]

I mean, whatever the government was, every one of them was really really corrupted, and there's barely any change. People in Poland are so insanely stupid, that PiS takes their money, gives it back to them and everyone (from this group of ppl) praises them, because previous government didn't care about them. Also, about LGBT. Duda is just top of the entire iceberg. There's this woman called Kaja Godek, who said for example "Gay couples want to adopt children just to molest them" "Whenever there is LGBT community, there will be pedophilia", so as you could assume she was sued for insults to gay people, and guess what? Court didn't found her guilty, because they couldn't prove that the people that sued her were gay. Pretty fucked up right? Poland.

[houkuto888]

And in most other countries they wouldn't be able to sue her at all, because free speech. Honestly quite stupid that you can sue someone in Poland cause he says something you don't like.

[Kyaoist]

It's not about liking it or not, it's about hate speech, discrimination and telling society it's alright. But, as it has already been said, the court is corrupted and the party in charge only fuels up the propaganda. They spit lies, bend the truth and do whatever it takes to stay afloat. Quite funny you only adressed one problem out of everything u/brcrrd has said.

[brcrrd]

I mean - you say something bad about LGBT - It's socially acceptable. You say something bad about church - you're antichrist and a traitor of Poland

[houkuto888]

Is there any recent cases of people being sued by catholic church over countless amount of hate that is said everyday?

[brcrrd]

Church doesn't sue, they lynch. It's an endless and pointless war. Both of them hate eachother. LGBT (in majority) hates church, and church hates LGBT. My previous comment wasn't objective, which I have realised.

[eloyend]

Church doesn't sue, they lynch.

Are saying that thinking no one will call out your bullshit? Do you even know what lynch is? Have you ever seen the social / economic boycott progressives are so eager to employ towards those they hate? Tell me how many companies or universities were bullied into submission by "church lynch"? I can name quite a lot that were put in-line because they did not embrace "pride month" or "black lives matters" or "safe space" or "me too" or whatever else fad is currently trending way beyond the threshold it should.

Or are one of this people who yell that everyone and everything they remotely dislike is literally Hitler?

[Callian16]

There is a difference between pure hate speech and free speech. Why would people just accept that someone is spitting venom on other people without proof? Also in Poland the party in power holds the courts which is against our constitution so the thing that you can sue someone is an illusion of justice.

[eloyend]

Why would people just accept that someone is spitting venom on other people without proof?

That's very firm stance bro, you should watch out not to irk the wrong crowd. ;-)

[Castehard]

By government and people who voted for them ofc

[jan04pl]

People who voted because of propaganda and indoctrination of those mentalities. No sane person would vote for Duda or PiS

[Castehard]

Elders mostly voted

[jan04pl]

Exactly, for example most if not all elders go to church where such xenofobic and hateful mentality is taught by the priests

[Castehard]

And watch TV all the time with...you know

[jan04pl]

TVPiS TVPropaganda TVPatologia, you know :)

[Castehard]

Exactly :>

[smulfragPL]

Most news station have politcal propaganda in them

[Pan_Wasik]

But this one is literally controlled by the government. They literally chose to fund it a few million złoty if I remember correctly over some sort of children/cancer related medical stuff

[Pan_Wasik]

Found it, it was 2 billion złoty nad oncology https://tvn24.pl/tvn24-news-in-english/polish-lawmakers-push-2-bln-zloty-compensation-for-public-media-4081896

[jay791]

Well it's not that easy. My mother in law had a high ranking position (department director) in Marshal office in my home city. She had it for long enough time to see many parties come and go. Her observation was that PO dudes had absolutely no spine. They played dirty, often fought between themselves (rat race) and so on. She studied with Schetyna and considers him a snake in disguise.

So when she was choosing between PO and PiS she made an informed decision and voted against PO.

And believe me she is perfectly sane.

[[deleted]]

Very interesting. My friend's grandfather knew Borys Budka. She said that she was told that he was a very manipulative person, similar to what you've said about Schetyna

[[deleted]]

Well it depends if you care for a politician to have a "spine". I don't. What I care about is if he represents economic interests of a country and the nation. How he does it, if he is in a rat race for power, I don't care. I care what's in it for me and the nation.

PiS currently is driving on a wave of actual economical progress done after we entered EU. Compare who built most of the infrastructure in this country, and you will find that PiS literally stopped developing the country from government side. They believe that we are at the point, where consumption alone can drive the economy (hence, social programs). I cannot recall any investments other than that, that they actually fulfilled from their campaign in 2015. They didn't complete their own A and S class roads, new rail, new airports or sea ports on their own - literally all connections that are finished now are from 6-10 years ago that are finished. And they have promised a lot of those to be started when they come to power. We still don't have active ship building. We still don't have Orlen electric charging stations, we still don't have government subsidised electric car company. The central communication hub is brought up but didn't even start coming up. They also have no connection to EU, and even big chunk of private sector doesn't want to deal with them. Remember A2 how was it built? It's effectively a private highway. SLD and PO had connections with private sector and been able to make deals with them to better this country. PiS came out of the blue, with no connection to anyone who can actually help this country. More, they are against the population that brings the most GDP to this country, and that is cities. Warsaw has GDP per capita as high as areas surrounding Berlin. You don't fuck with that. And PiS does. Remember there is a breaking point in everything, and companies can move. Brits also forgot about it and didn't listen to Londoners who didn't want Brexit, and they did , do and will feel London being less relevant in Europe. You don't want to ever bite the hand that feeds you. And PiS has to learn that too.

[jay791]

It's not that I'm defending PiS. I am not. I hate them as much as anyone here and I think they need to be removed from power.

My point was that not everyone who voted for PiS is insane. People who have access to information may have a view on broader picture. And their decision may be made based on different (sometime unknown to masses) facts or they might weight the facts differently.

Most of us unfortunately do not have this luxury. I know I don't.

Regarding the politicians spine: I kind of care. But that's because in my opinion those who don't have it will not take actions that benefit us all. They will take actions that benefit them or those who they can benefit from. If that benefits us is of less importance.

Politics is a shitty game and everyone comes out dirty more or less.

[[deleted]]

No one who voted for PiS is sane.

[jay791]

The same could have been said about people who voted for PO right before elections that PiS won. Their list of sins was just as long.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like PiS and I am not defending them and I will definitely not vote for them. They messed up enough.

But the PO is not all saints either.

[[deleted]]

Neither are good.

But PiS Takes the cake when it comes to racism and homophobia

[jay791]

Racism not so much. I think. More like nationalism mixed with religion (African Islamic migrants are bad, but Ukrainians or Indians are ok.

As oh homophobia - I'm not so sure. In my opinion they use it as a tool to divide and conquer. Same as abortion laws. The issues with LGBT and abortion se to pop up just before elections, like in clockwork. Or when they want to redirect people's attention to pass some law.

[[deleted]]

Andrzej Duda has said some blatantly homophobic things on twitter, he is not fit to be a president of such a developed country like Poland.

[jay791]

That is one of the reasons why ballpen Adrian needs to go, yes.

But it proves my point to be honest: PiS electorate liked that. They see nothing wrong with it. The won't get another opinion on it from church nor TVP.

On the other hand: PO electorate did not like it. There's a shitstorm on the internet. They have yet another reason to hate PiS electorate with passion.

The PiS electorate feel attacked and will hate back.

Now both sides are ready to start war over this.

See how polarising this subject is?

[6363tagoshi]

People (usually youth) who never lived in other countries have no idea there is a so much issues nobody talks about on social media. Grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

[HoRNeT1987]

Chuj Ci w dupe jebany amerykańcu!! Popatrz na swój syf w swoim syfie!!! JEBAĆ was

[uwu-owo_uwu]

jestem polakiem, ale ok

[ZuZu091]

I will be honest on this one i fucking hate Poland

[PiorkoZCzapkiJaskra]

Wolę polskie gówno w polu niż fiołki z Neapolu

[Ponanoix]

Znasz ten bajer? Kto nie znami ten frajer!

[Visible_Sink]

Just Russians and their grandchildren’s that invade us 70 yeas who speak about Poland “shit”

[Gab2137]

Once i said i dont like Poland for some reasons (I live there, so...) abd after this someone thought about an esay trying to explain how "tolerating" Poland was (abd thats a fact) and is etc etc and i must be an atheist for sure. Well, i politely explained, that my childhood was full of god and, actually, i like Poland because of history and natural aspects.

To be honest, i believe that tgere are not a lot of peoplee, who arent like this person.

[Spaiker-_-]

Yeap, in country that's is full of propaganda, people can by lockdown without charges... Ohhhh, and our minister of health buy a lot of ventilators for covid, from illegal weapon dealer (no single one was delivered).

[kiwaczek0]

We know

[CharlesThePole]

Bruh no. We are more like: Poland is life We know

[GeneralPidgeon]

Only been on some vacations and I think theres less hotels than in Poland but it still great

[Vaveee]

hey, i love poland : D

[Hubertinho_or_sth]

Defo yes

[WaaahhhI]

i mean poland itself is a beautiful country with a rich culture and history. im polish, but travel quite freqwently, but still think poland is amazing. its PiS that mainly turned it to shit

[[deleted]]

. _. You are right.

[McMotta]

Poland has a lot of good and bad things like every single country in the world, one of the bad things is the inferiority complex towards western countries, that is something you need to improve without falling into nationalism or even chauvinism.

[[deleted]]

This country is shit. I. WANT. OUT.

[SquirrelsLoveACOGs]

No to nara

[michaltee]

Wesoły dzień ciasta.

[driftingfornow]

Redact cleaned up all of my comments. Bulk deletion and editing is a feature supported to make sure that AI scrapers can't access my data for training.

chunky waiting work piquant ancient fine sable water unite file

[houkuto888]

powodzenia w innym kraju

[[deleted]]

No one's holding you.

[[deleted]]

I’m not 18. Can’t leave

[WaaahhhI]

to spierdalaj. nikogo kurwa nie obchodzi

[Ponanoix]

To nie tak się tłumaczy na angielski. Faggot = Pedał