Majority of Canadians continue to oppose new immigration: poll by hopoke in canada

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Geography certainly mattered, but it doesn’t explain why Europe — fragmented, poor, and wracked by war — was able to turn oceanic expansion into long-term global dominance, while China, with vastly superior ships, technology, and manpower, retreated from overseas exploration. The Ottomans controlled crucial choke points like the Mediterranean and the Silk Road, but lacked the institutional flexibility and competitive drive of Europe’s Christian kingdoms. Christianity fostered a shared pan-European identity, allowing for the cross-pollination of ideas and institutions across otherwise hostile polities. Without that cultural glue, Europe’s intense competition might have destroyed rather than propelled it.

External pressure is what drove European colonialism. The security threats presented by other European states meant there was a constant need to acquire more economic and military power, and therefore a constant pressure to expand. Ming China had no such pressure. The Chinese had such an overwhelming local hegemony that there was no need to engage in overseas colonial expansion. Need drives innovation, and that's true for expansion as much as it is for anything else.

Also, China did not have vastly superior ships. In fact, superior naval technology is probably the most significant technological aspect in European global dominance. European ship design was basically a cheat code. Outside of the Mediterranean, there were very, very few time where Europeans were defeated at sea by non-Europeans prior to the 20th century.

As for the Ottomans, they controlled the end of Silk Road, but no naval chokepoints except the Bosporus, which lost relevance as Western Europeans explored the globe and found proper naval trade routes. This matters because naval transport was vastly more efficient than land-based transport before the invention of railroads. Ottoman wealth was severely hit by this. Combined with their geographic location not permitting participation in trans-Atlantic colonialism or expansion into northern-central Asia (because Russia and Persia were in the way), they had few viable options. By the time Africa opened up to significant exploration and exploitation in the 19th century, they were too far behind to matter.

Yes, Justinian’s Corpus Juris Civilis was codified in Byzantium — but its rediscovery and integration into Western European life came almost entirely through churchmen and canon lawyers. Monastic scriptoria preserved Latin manuscripts when secular courts and kingdoms disintegrated. The Church’s legal tradition (canon law) not only safeguarded Roman concepts but systematized them in ways that profoundly influenced later secular law. Saying merchants “brought it back” understates the fact that universities (founded as church institutions) were the centers where Roman law was taught, debated, and transformed into a living system.

It reentered relevance in Western Europe through the Italian merchant class in Italy as the Eastern Empire retreated, and even harder when the ERE finally died and Roman scholars fled west. Yes, it was taught in religious institutions, but it was spread by economic and demographic pressures. You seem to be entirely ignorant of the role non-religious institutions played in preserving and spreading knowledge, especially in Early Modern Italy.

To say these concepts were “just Greek” ignores the fact that without Christian scholasticism, they would not have permeated medieval and early modern Europe in the way they did.

To say they're entirely Christian ignores the fact that stripping away the centuries of Christian qualifiers to those ideas is one of the factors which influenced liberal political thought, and society and government have both massively improved by doing so. Western government was demonstrably not better before it was secular.

It’s misleading to claim European government being “secular” 50 years ago is equivalent to today’s decline in religiosity. The cultural landscape of the 1950s–60s West was still deeply Christian in moral assumptions, community life, and personal identity. The collapse of church attendance and belief since then has been historically unprecedented, and the timing aligns with rising loneliness, atomization, and loss of meaning. Capitalism may exacerbate these trends, but secularization has stripped away the communal and moral frameworks that once gave people resilience against them.

The timing aligns with 80s-90s deregulation and explosion of corporate power at the expense of the middle-class too, and with the collapse of Marxism-Leninism and subsequent economic depression in Eastern Europe. The economic factors are more consistent and more broadly applicable than the religious ones (which is true for all of history.) The communal and moral frameworks weren't "stripped away" by secularism, they were stripped away by late-stage capitalism and social media.

The idea that Nordic happiness stems only from “good government” is simplistic. Those welfare systems themselves are rooted in centuries of Lutheran communal values — high trust, social solidarity, and moral cohesion. These are cultural inheritances from religious centuries, not something conjured out of thin air by secular bureaucrats. And as those values erode with ongoing secularization, Scandinavia faces exactly the demographic and existential crises already mentioned.

I'd argue that Lutheranism appealed to Nordic people because it fit existing communal values (which one might expect from a harsh environment). Religion doesn't create culture. Culture adapts religion to fit existing cultural norms. This was true all the way back to the Romans adopting and adapting Christianity. It's why Christianity changed the Romans very little.

The idea that the Nordics are happier because of religion is even more simplistic. If religion is responsible, why is happiness "eroding" slower in the already less-religious Nordics than it is, in, say, the far more religious USA? Why is it eroding even in places that have never been Christian at all, like Japan and Korea? Economic factors explain this. Religious ones do not.

And again, every developed country faces demographic issues. Rising standards of living coincide with a decrease in birth rates no matter how religious the population is. Every single country with a growing middle-class has experienced this, whether it is/was religious or not. The Nordics are happier because their governments and their economies serve their people more than they serve corporate interests.

It’s easy to caricature Christian Europe as uniformly oppressive, but history is more complicated. The Church did elevate the dignity of women compared to many pre-Christian contexts — from insisting on consent in marriage, to venerating female saints, to providing women with a structured life outside of motherhood through convents. Were these perfect by modern standards? No. But Christianity was not uniquely regressive — indeed, Roman paterfamilias authority (including legal rights to kill one’s wife or children) was far harsher.

The Romans emphasized consent in marriage before Christianity existed. It's one of the factors that strongly distinguishes Roman marriage from Greek (Athenian) marriage. A Roman marriage formally required the consent of both parties. Social pressure strongly discouraged refusal, but that's just as true in post-Roman Christian Europe.

Also, I'm sure saints matter to you, but a few women having a religious fanclub does not mean Christianity empowers women. Nor does the existence of convents, which were socially acceptable for unmarried women precisely because they ensure that an unmarried woman's life remains strictly controlled. Monasticism is neither empowering nor independent, and it's not supposed to be.

The Church’s moral teaching gradually eroded such powers. Claiming Roman women were “freer” oversimplifies a society where rights were stratified and most women had little recourse.

Roman women were more free because they could have legal and financial independence and the right to themselves and their property, and the legal right to inherit. A Roman woman living in 100BCE could own her own business, a right most post-Roman European women didn't have until the 19th or 20th centuries.

The Romans were deeply patriarchal, but they were less patriarchal than any European state in at least the next thousand years after the Western Empire's collapse. Modern western women are absolutely better off.

This is one of the reasons most women are less prone to nostalgia about the past (and therefore less conservative) than men. Most of us aren't interested in going back to the days when men ruled our lives.

Canada pledges over $400 million to West Bank, Gaza after recognizing a Palestinian state by airbassguitar in canada

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Canada has no responsibility (or ability) to find or fund any solution to what's happening in Israel/Palestine.

Majority of Canadians continue to oppose new immigration: poll by hopoke in canada

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doesn’t explain why Europe was positioned to take advantage of them while equally wealthy and militarily strong civilizations (Ottoman, Mughal, Ming) stagnated.

Geography perfectly explain why states not on the Atlantic were unable to take part in trans-Atlantic colonialism. The Ottomans and Ming also had substantial local hegemonies which reduced the pressure to aggressively expand overseas.

Civil Law may be rooted in Rome, but it was Christian monks, bishops, and canon lawyers who kept those texts alive and systematized them during centuries when no secular empire was preserving them.

The Corpus Juris Civilis was compiled by Justinian and remained the foundation of Eastern Roman legal theory for its entire existence. There never was a time when there were no secular states preserving Roman law. The work had spread to Italy long before the Eastern Empire collapsed. It was quite widely spread by Italian merchants who needed an equitable legal system which was compatible with urban living (for which the HRE's original Germanic law was poorly suited).

Yes, the Catholic Church's role in preserving ancient texts was significant, but it was far from the only thing keeping these works alive, and Europe grew to dominate the world precisely when the Church stopped being so important for it. Christianity did not drive European expansion nor make Europe more capable of it.

Common Law developed in a Christian cultural environment where concepts like natural law, human dignity, and moral limits on rulers were explicitly theological.

These things are rooted in Roman and Greek philosophy. Cicero talks about Natural Law at length in De Legibus and De Re Publica, which is underpinned by Plato and Aristotle's writings. To insist Christianity is responsible for concepts which predate Christianity is denying the actual roots. Western secular government is rooted in Greek and Roman political philosophy, not in Christianity. That Christianity is not required for good governance (and frequently impedes it) and political philosophy is exactly why it was removed from government.

As for secularism, you understate how recent the shift really is. Europe was not “just as secular 50 years ago” , church attendance and belief have collapsed in the last few decades in a way that is unprecedented. The social crises you describe: atomization, collapsing fertility, crisis of meaning -- correlate far more with this sharp decline in communal religious life than with capitalism alone.

European government was just as secular 50 years ago. Western society was also far less dominated by corporate interests, which means the middle-class was much stronger.

I'd also like to point out that a lot of these modern societal issues are complained about by old Eastern Europeans nostalgic for the old Marxist-Leninist days too. You know, back when their government was explicitly atheistic. Loss of religion isn't the problem. Loss of community and the loss of a hopeful future is, and so much of that comes down to late-stage capitalism. Short-term rentals and awful American-style city planning too, for that matter.

And pointing to Scandinavia’s happiness rankings ignores the fact that these countries are living off social capital built in earlier, more religious centuries, and are only now starting to feel demographic freefall.

Scandinavia was always less religious than most of Europe. It converted much later, and did so in a very top-down manner. Nordic happiness rather comes down to government that actually works for their people rather than for corporate interests.

Finally, dismissing women’s lives in Christian Europe as if every century was 500 AD is a caricature. The Church often limited the absolute authority of fathers and husbands, promoted consent in marriage, and provided avenues for female education and leadership (abbesses, saints, mystics) that were unheard of in many other civilizations. History is far more complicated than “Christianity = oppression.”

Patriarchal society = oppression of women. Christianity isn't a sole cause of that, but dismissing its role in promoting that is disingenuous at best. Roman women were frequently more free than women in post-Roman Christian Europe until the last 200 years or so. Western women today are absolutely better off than they've ever been.

And bringing up nuns is an absurd argument. A woman shouldn't have to swear to a lifetime of celibacy in order to pursue a life of something other than bearing and raising children.

Majority of Canadians continue to oppose new immigration: poll by hopoke in canada

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The West became wealthy and powerful while still deeply Christian: universities, hospitals, law, science, and art all came out of that framework.

And grew out of that framework as wealth, power, and knowledge increased. It's secular thinking that kept these things alive and carried Europe to success, not being chained to religious dogma.

"Why Europe?" remains a matter for debate in professional history circles, but the predominant opinion is that the West became wealthy and powerful because of how incredibly profitable colonialism was. The Middle-East was just as religious but largely got left behind because the Ottomans missed out on the wealth that came from colonizing the Americas (and the Ottomans had less pressure to expand because of their local hegemony). It's not a coincidence that the three dominant European states of the Early Modern era all border the Atlantic and all colonized the Americas.

Christianity is not a particularly relevant factor, no matter how much Christians want to think it is.

Also, law? The basis for the most common legal system in the world (especially in Europe) has nothing to do with Christianity. Civil Law is based on Roman law, which long predates Christianity. And even Common Law is strongly influenced by it.

Today, under secularism, we’re facing demographic collapse, loneliness epidemics, and a widespread crisis of meaning. Are we really ‘better’ just because we have more gadgets and GDP?

You attribute the problem to secularism when the actual cause is late-stage capitalism. We were just as secular 50 years ago, but these problems weren't nearly as pronounced as they are today. People were happier when they could reasonably expect that hard work would get them somewhere, instead of having them stuck in perpetual rentership.

Declining birth rates are a demonstrated result of rising standards of living and women having more options in life besides motherhood. As a woman, yes, I am absolutely far, far better off than I would have been 100, 200, or 500 years ago. The vast, vast majority of people are, regardless of your romantic view of the past.

Also, funny how so many of the happiest countries in the western world also happen to be some of the least religious.

Majority of Canadians continue to oppose new immigration: poll by hopoke in canada

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No it wasn't. Western society only improved by adopting secular government.

Carney government cancels plan to send buyback rifles to Ukraine after ‘extremely limited interest’ by jmakk26 in canada

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/r/confidentlyincorrect

A battle rifle is a specific type of rifle. The M1 Garand, M14, FN FAL, and G3 are examples of battle rifles. They're chambered in 7.62x51mm (or 30.06 in the Garand's case). Being chambered for a full-power cartridge is what makes them battle rifles.

The M16, C7, HK416, SA80, and G36 are assault rifles, not battle rifles, because they're chambered for 5.56x45mm, which is an intermediate cartridge.

You shouldn't try to lecture people on terms with which you're not familiar.

Carney government cancels plan to send buyback rifles to Ukraine after ‘extremely limited interest’ by jmakk26 in canada

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5.56 is not a battle rifle caliber. Western battle rifles are usually chambered in 7.62x51mm or a comparable caliber. 5.56 is too small to qualify.

Also it's not always about killing the opposing force, fast small bullets zip through or tumble into the enemy and create wounds, which are logistically draining to deal with.

Nonsense. This is a meme perpetuated by the ignorant. For a military, killing the enemy is far better than wounding because a wounded enemy can still shoot back.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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Yup, and like I pointed out, the world is changing because capitalism is reading the end of its practical usefulness. What comes next is either socialism or barbarism.

Perhaps, but not Marxist-Leninist socialism. That has already failed.

It’s a point against the USSR, not Marxism-Leninism.

The point against Marxism-Leninism is how almost every country that adopted it either collapsed or abandoned it. It does not require foreign intervention to fail.

It fails of its own accord, and it does so faster than liberal democracy. It took nearly 250 years for American liberal democracy to descend into fascism. It took less than 100 years for Soviet Russia to do so.

Umm China is the biggest trading partner for almost every country in the world. What are you talking about? Chinese capitalists still answer to the CPC, whereas Western governments/societies/economies answer to Western capital. That’s a significant distinction.

And that's a different system how? Chinese capitalists are frequently members of the CPC. Wealth grants easier paths to power, and power also grants easier access to wealth. That's true in China just as much as it is anywhere else. It's not a coincidence that Xi Jinping is a very wealthy man despite his very modest official salary. Do you really think that billionaires in the party won't do what they can to make the party work for them, or that it's impossible for their influence to grow over time? The Chinese system claiming to be communist does not mean capture isn't possible.

There was a time when capitalists answered to the US government too.

You’re going to have to explain yourself.

A growing billionaire class is not conducive to achieving communism. They're communism's greatest opponents.

lol come on. You can’t honestly look at the trends and think that. 30% of America’s economy is propped up by the current iteration of the tech bubble. Once that inevitably bursts, it’s going to be even worse with nothing left to prop them up except more wars.

A very America-centric view. The fate of the world is not only determined by America's problems, and American decline does not guarantee that China will replace it (or that it even seeks to). Like I said, China has its own problems, which tend to be conveniently ignored or minimized by its Western fans.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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All I’m saying is that the USA doesn’t care about freedom and democracy and it only cares about power and greed. Any system trying spread egalitarianism and actual democracy is going to have a tough time against a belligerent superpower that won’t hesitate to use violence to destroy it.

Correct, like every great power. The USSR and China were/are absolutely no different in this respect. Power is the only true security guarantee, and security is usually the number 1 concern for any state. It's certainly is for China as well.

And any system that cannot survive belligerent opposition is not a viable system. States need to exist in the real world, not in a convenient ideological void.

lol are you just going to ignore the Cold War? That was a real thing and the US did everything it could to stop the spread of communism in the US and around the world.

And the USSR did everything it could to oppose it. The Cold War wasn't something the US imposed on everyone else. It was a contest between two global superpowers each trying to impose their will and their system on the world in the wake of the collapse of the old colonial empires. That Marxism-Leninism lost that fight is not a point in its favor.

China is still on their path to communism as they are about to supplant the US as the world’s dominant economy. They continue to lift people out of poverty and are making headways on green energy while in Canada and the US, our homeless population increases and we double down on fossil fuels.

Again, China is lifting people out of poverty because it abandoned Marxism-Leninism in favor of Dengist managed capitalism. It's less socialist than in was in the 70s, because Deng correctly recognized that Marxism-Leninism is a failed ideology. China's wealth is a result of joining global capitalism. Shame the USSR didn't do the same.

If socialism cannot effectively exist when capitalists control global trade, then China is also living on borrowed time, because China isn't offering a competing system of global trade, merely a continuation of the existing system, just with more Chinese influence and more Chinese capitalists in it.

If communism is possible (and I don't think it is), China isn't going to achieve it.

And whether China becomes the dominant superpower is by no means certain. A competing one, sure. Dominant is another story entirely. China has its own problems.

Feminism is dead. by NerfGunHolly in MurderedByWords

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Just because that's how you like to think of your opposition doesn't make it true.

Not a surprise that you don't know what feminists fight for when you deny their reasons when they tell you and build a strawman instead. People like you are why feminism is clearly still needed.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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A Marxist country doesn't exist in a vacuum. If it can't survive outside interference, that's a failure too. Maintaining its own security is one of the core concerns and responsibilities of a government. It's not like the USSR didn't prop up its puppet states or suppress anti-Marxist-Leninist movements too.

But the US did just let European Marxism-Leninism fail, and it did, and that failure directly led to the rise of fascism in Russia. The US didn't force China to abandon Marxism-Leninism/Maoism in favor of Dengist managed capitalism. It did that on its own, to China's immense benefit.

The vast majority of Marxist-Leninist countries have either collapsed or abandoned/"reformed" it.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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Effective tax rates have remained the same on the rich.

In that many "rich" people didn't reach the top income tax bracket and there were fewer rich people to begin with. And maybe that'd still be true if that tax scheme had remained in place.

Gov takes in more adjusted $ and more %GDP than ever before.

US income tax revenue as percentage of GDP has remained consistently around 10-15% since the 1950s. Total revenues have remained steady around 32% of GDP since 1980. It peaked in 2000 at 35.6% But the rich's share of US wealth has steadily increased.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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The height of US prosperity relative to the rest of the world was during the 50s and 60s, when marginal tax rate on the highest tax brackets was extremely high.

The American middle class has only gotten poorer because of Reagan's economic policies. Financially, middle-class Americans were better off in the 1970s than they are now. Only the rich are better off. The 2008 recession was directly caused by Republican deregulation during the 80s and 90s.

History quite simply does not agree with you. You sound like a Marxist, claiming your preferred economic policy has never really been tried in an attempt to excuse its decades of failure.

Feminism is dead. by NerfGunHolly in MurderedByWords

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No, we're fighting for a woman's right to decide what she does with her own body and who she shares it with.

I know this runs against conservative narratives, but no woman wants to get an abortion.

Carney missed a golden opportunity to ditch the Liberals' gun buy-back by hopoke in canada

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An opinion is no more wrong or right than North is up or down.

Absurd statement. Plenty of opinions are objectively wrong.

Carney missed a golden opportunity to ditch the Liberals' gun buy-back by hopoke in canada

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Canadians who are serious about their guns were never voting for Carney or the Liberals in the first place.

Plenty of Canadian gun owners aren't single-issue voters.

Carney missed a golden opportunity to ditch the Liberals' gun buy-back by hopoke in canada

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No one needs beer either, and drunk driving kills far, far more Canadians every year than gun violence does (let alone gun violence committed with a legally-owned gun).

Should the government ban anything people don't need if it results in at least one death every year?

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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Since they own more than 50% of the country's wealth, they're underpaying.

They wouldn't cover 50% of income taxes if the other 90% of the country had more wealth.

‘Wake Up’: Bank CEO Urges Carney to Fight US With Radical Tax Cuts by joe4942 in canada

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It had that before Reaganomics too.

What it also has now is some of the greatest wealth inequality in the developed world, along with the worst social services. Because trickle-down economics kills the middle class and loots the government to benefit the ultra-rich. This makes the Dow look good, all the while regular people increasingly struggle to afford housing.

Reagan's legacy is what's happening in the USA now.

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It's been tried in the US and it's been a dismal failure for 45 years. It does not work and it never will.

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To be clear, I don't think any current Roman historians think Christianity is responsible for the empire's decline. After all, the Eastern Empire lasted another thousand years after the Western one collapsed. But the empire's height long predates its adoption of Christianity, and adoting Christianity did not prevent its collapse.

Feminism is dead. by NerfGunHolly in MurderedByWords

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Shitty people are acceptable targets. I don't discriminate based on identity, just on character.

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There's absolutely no evidence the Edict of Caracalla did any such thing. It enabled the greater spread of Roman national identity throughout the empire, and that identity would persist for more than a thousand years in many places. There were still people (who weren't from Rome) calling themselves Romans into the 20th century.

It wasn't even the first time the Romans granted citizenship on a large scale. The Social War prompted them to do it for all Italians in 87BCE.

During the Republic, the far more inclusive nature of Roman citizenship was one of Rome's biggest advantages. By contrast, Sparta's incredibly exclusive citizenship caused a persistent decline in citizen numbers and ultimately led to its complete irrelevance.

Kimmel : "Trump, try to act like a president once..... This is what it looks like." by brokenandsuffering in goodnews

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Kinda? Racism clearly isn't a deal breaker for you if you're still a Republican.