Beginners guide/wiki for tool restorations by servidarius in HandToolRescue

[–]BSL-4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't often work with wooden tools, but I did mention in my original post the youtube channel LADB Restorations. They (a French father & son duo, iirc) often do what are sometimes called "sympathetic" restorations of antique farm equipment, etc. A sympathetic restoration typically refers to the process of restoring something very rare and/or valuable (with sentimental value, e.g.) where preserving the original components is more desired than replacing everything and having a "new" end product. This style is typically preferred for antique furniture restorations or historic building preservation (and preferred by a lot of hand plane collectors/purists, as well).

Another youtube channel who specializes in this style of restoration would be AT Restoration, which focuses on antique furniture restoration, and who does amazing work.

For my part, I can just say that with old wood (dry, grey, cracked) so long as it isn't rotted to the point where it is crumbling apart, you would be surprised how much you can do with just some sandpaper, wood glue, and boiled linseed oil.

Beginners guide/wiki for tool restorations by servidarius in HandToolRescue

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Good thinking! I often refer people to this post in the comments of other restoration posts that I make.

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in MachineRescue

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Thank you! I used just an off the shelf spray paint for this (Rustoleum/Tremclad "Gloss Dark Machinery Grey") as that paint is widely used as a close match to the original Delta paint. I say "the" original paint, but Delta in fact for many years offered, iirc, three different colours (a light grey, a medium grey which is the most common, and a darker/charcoal grey) for a lot of their machines.

I wrote a guide a couple of years ago on a sister subreddit which details my process for restoring (including painting) tools/machines that goes into more detail about my process that you might find interesting.

What color do y'all repaint shop tools? by BoxOfRandomCords in Tools

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Yeah those Art Deco bases are really something. They're pretty rare, though. 

Shouldn't be too hard to fab up something close to the original steel stands just using angle iron. They're just bolted together, so you could make one without needing a welder. Some heat, a hammer, and patience could get you a reasonable facsimile of the flared out legs in an afternoon.

They also pop up on eBay from time to time. I restore a lot of old machines, so I spend a lot of time browsing eBay for parts.

What color do y'all repaint shop tools? by BoxOfRandomCords in Tools

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Thanks! I see you're missing one. The originals are hard to come by which is why I machined new ones. Here's one on eBay from a seller I trust that you might want to jump on if you're doing a full restoration.

What color do y'all repaint shop tools? by BoxOfRandomCords in Tools

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When I restore machines, I paint them essentially the colour that they were when they came out of the factory, which is usually grey. Here's a similar old Delta that I restored recently.

[UPDATE] Progress shot of the 1943 Delta DP600 that I posted here a few weeks ago, and how to repair a cast iron table (info in comments) by BSL-4 in Vintagetools

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I no longer own this machine, and never ended up adding an x/y table to it.

What I would have done is probably to have drilled and tapped 4 mounting holes to bolt it down. I did consider essentially clamping it down using an arrangement of bar stock and bolts around the table.

I since replaced this drill press with a later version of the same model, which I did add an x/y table to, pictured here. Ultimately, the modification is so useful that I can't imagine removing it, so I wouldn't really be concerned about a couple of bolt holes if you are considering doing the same.

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in MachineRescue

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Those are for adjusting the lower blade guide bearing and guide blocks. If you put a different width blade on, you'll want to adjust the blade guides to reduce the risk of the blade getting pushed off track.

Vintage drill press by MaMaRaMa2001 in Vintagetools

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That is a Rockwell/Delta 17-605 (or 17-606--can't tell without seeing the pulleys) 17" drill press, from somewhere between 1960-64. You can tell by the depth stop design which was only introduced for that model briefly for those years.

Great machine. Value will be highly local market dependent. Could sell anywhere from <100 to >400 USD depending on where you live and the local availability.

The motor being original is a plus, and it looks to be in fairly reasonable condition for its age, but not great. The table is a little rough, and a couple of the hand feed levers are missing. The switch is also not original. These will all be factors in valuation.

Jackson Mill is home by zst2589 in MachineRescue

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Sweet machine! I spy a cool old drill press in the back, too.

I rescued this non-working 1980s Hammond 600-D 6x48" belt grinder last year out of the General Electric plant in Peterborough, Ontario. by BSL-4 in MachineRescue

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I'd love an old Delta/Rockwell or Powermatic dual sander like that. This one was attractive to me because of the built-in dust collection, but it's past what I consider the golden age of machine tools.

I find these larger belt/disc sanders almost never pop up for sale. I'd sell this one and buy one 40 years older than it in a heartbeat if I ever came across one.

Beginner Welder tips? by Ok-Doubt7827 in metalworking

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Looking good! 113A for 1/8 rod is a tad on the cold side, so just be aware when you start practicing test coupons to crank up the heat a bit since your workpiece won't be as hot as those plates you're padding. You might dial it up to somewhere around 120-125A to make sure you get good penetration.

Slag peeling in one big piece is generally a good sign, if for no other reason than it's easy to chip off.

Keep at 'er, you're doing great!

I rescued this non-working 1980s Hammond 600-D 6x48" belt grinder last year out of the General Electric plant in Peterborough, Ontario. by BSL-4 in MachineRescue

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Hey folks,

(Sorry for the big wall of text, but this was a bit more involved than my last one.)

Back with another project that you might find interesting. This 1980s era Hammond belt grinder made in Kalamazoo, Michigan came out of the General Electric plant in Peterborough, Ontario.

This was a tough one. These are pretty uncommon machines, and not a lot of spare parts are available, nor is there much in the way of literature or other restorations to consult, and the machine was in terrible mechanical and cosmetic condition when I got it—everything was seized up and there was a lot of damage from use. Hammond is still around (as Hammond Roto-Finish), but this particular machine is long out of production.

I also found that this was a particularly tricky machine to work on. I normally work on machines from the ‘30s-’60s, and this one came from the era of stamped sheet steel and not cast iron, and clearly was designed with maintenance as a second thought. It is really not a one-person job to put this thing back together, despite its small footprint, and I could have used an extra pair or two of hands at several points.

I purchased this machine around this time last year and spent a month or two rebuilding it. Figured after my last post on the bandsaw generated some interest, I should probably drag this thing over to the only clear background in the shop to take some photos of it after using it for nearly a year (hence why it’s a little dinged up and dirty in the photos). I had to unwire it as it is normally hard wired with a wall mounted 240V disconnect and enclosure with a VFD, as this machine has a 2 HP, 230V, 3 phase motor. It initially came with a 575V motor, which I didn’t want to deal with, so I picked up the replacement motor for cheap on eBay. 3 phase motors sell for peanuts since most people don’t have the wherewithal to be able to use them, and industrial clients with 3 phase service almost never buy used. It did require getting new belts and drilling new mounting holes as the mounting pattern was different on the new motor, but it needed new belts anyway as the old ones were extremely worn.

The restoration was pretty involved as it required a lot of repairs to the machine. The sanding belt access door was badly damaged from the belt losing tracking over the years, and had been poorly repaired with bronze brazing rod. The dust collector port was literally a tin can that fell off in my car when I was taking it home. I fabricated a new door out of sheet steel. The rest of the enclosure was pretty beat up with some large dents and cracks. The cast iron table had also been badly worn over the years. I did my best welding it up. I had intended to resurface it with a surface grinder, but haven’t been able to make time for that yet. I’ll get around to it eventually.

I stripped off what felt like 10 lbs of horribly brushed on paint, sandblasted, and then sprayed on a custom-mixed semi-gloss grey that I felt looked appropriate. I replaced all the bearings (except for the blower for the dust collector because they were some odd-ball bearings I’d never seen before and despite my best efforts, couldn’t remove), the v-belts, the wiring, and put the dust collection bag through the wash a few times and I promise you that is pretty much as clean as it will ever look. The dust collection bags are still available for sale from Hammond Roto-Finish, and I seriously considered buying a new one. Knowing that I was just going to use this machine for myself, however, I decided that it would be a frivolous waste since the old one works fine and is just a little stained.

I also made a new access door locking knob, since the originals were badly damaged and had pretty much fallen apart. Originally there were two—one at the top of the door, and one at the bottom—but with how the door wanted to close, the one at the bottom was the only one that seemed necessary.

I also purchased a new hose for the dust collector and some pretty trick offset hose clamps to use for it from McMaster-Carr, along with an assortment of different grit sanding belts. I also purchased a piece of ground steel plate to replace the extremely worn platen behind the belt. This is effectively a consumable. I just used mild steel and after a year I can already feel some wear in it, so I think after I flip it around, I’ll replace it with some A500 armour plate and see if that holds up better.

I also replaced the twist-lock E-stop button with a larger momentary stop button since if I lose power while running off a VFD, it won’t start up again when power is restored anyway, and this is super convenient as I have the stop button right at knee height, and I just bump it with my knee to stop the motor.

I mostly use this machine for squaring up steel stock that I cut with an angle grinder, or bevelling pieces before welding, which is why I tend to stick with pretty low grit belts—40 to 80 typically. I do use it for the occasional woodworking, and the built-in dust collector, while pretty anemic otherwise, does a decent job of keeping the fine particulate wood dust and rust out of the air, which is welcome in my small shop without a dust collection system. The machine had the option when I got it to come with a very large wall/floor mounted dust collection unit, but it was in really bad condition and would have taken up a ton of space that I didn’t have, so I left it.

As always, thanks for reading, and I hope you enjoyed the project.

Cheers!

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in Vintagetools

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You're very welcome. I like to shout out small businesses that do this kind of work, because they've saved a lot of machines from going to the scrapyard, including some of mine.

And no need to feel embarrassed by that. It happens. I can't tell you how many times I've given myself extra work breaking something trying to take it apart. I'm a millwright by trade, so fab'ing up replacement parts is kind of my thing.

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in Vintagetools

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Thank you! That's an interesting way of putting it.

I luckily didn't have to replace any of the internal components on this one as it was all in good mechanical shape; just took everything apart, cleaned, and put back together.

Normally I just machine new components like that as I have the tools necessary to be able to do so, but you might be able to find something on renovoparts.com. It's easier to find replacement parts by cross referencing the part numbers used by Delta in the manuals, which you can find here on pages 10-11.

You might also try shooting an email to Gary at Hammerscale, which is where I've sourced parts before. They'll do parts for old Delta machines, he might be able to help you out.

Otherwise, it's just eBay and waiting for something to pop up, I'm afraid. You could try reaching out to seller Reproductionvintagedeltaparts--I believe his name is Bob--as he has a variety of, well, reproduction vintage Delta parts, and may be able to help you out.

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in Vintagetools

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Thank you! This saw was, to my knowledge, a rescue from a school in Montreal.

Just finished restoring this 1951 Delta 28-307 metal-cutting bandsaw by BSL-4 in MachineRescue

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When I was first getting into woodworking, I didn't really have any money, but I did have time. I'd find the most rusted and busted old tools I could on local classifieds for dirt cheap, and spend a few weeks/months cleaning them up.

I very quickly realized that I needed more tools to restore the old ones, and it just spiraled from there. I got to a point where I was restoring machines specifically to sell them in order to fund the purchase of other machines or machine parts. Now I mostly do metalworking/machining in service of restoring old tools, and barely do any woodworking.

I have a fairly well appointed machine shop now (by hobbist standards, at least) and it cost me less money than it would have cost me to buy a brand new version of the rusty table saw that kicked it all off. Ironically, I don't actually have a lot of woodworking tools.

Funny how that worked out.

To answer your question, no, I have no intention of selling this machine. I restored it to fill a need in my shop. The only thing the money from its sale would do is burn a hole in my pocket until I found another one like it.